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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    I have ‘diary issues’ as well
    How many people does the PM have running her diary? I have no idea - but clearly they are incompetent as well.

    To be fair though, it must get very tricky trying to decide which appointments should go in the Diary and which ones dont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    How many people does the PM have running her diary? I have no idea - but clearly they are incompetent as well.

    To be fair though, it must get very tricky trying to decide which appointments should go in the Diary and which ones dont.
    Talk is it’s all getting too much for her ...
    I have some sympathy but the Labour party had 9 years to groom some talent and have failed to do this . In addition the deal they signed with Winston ( we didn’t get to see) seems to give him a lot of latitude .No wonder Helen has been in the background , but is it too little too late ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Well, thats not entirely true. "Community" infers co-operation amongst the people within that community.....
    ....New Zealand, with this Iwi / Hapu structure was a hostile environment pre-colonisation. Complete with leaders, commoners and slaves.....
    Being discussed was language and the hostile environment for Māori language - In the context of the Māori language even tribal enemies Co-operated to converse in the one language in Aotearoa! There were regional Variations as in English.

    However in relation to a hostile environment more generally - the spread of the English of the colonisers so often accompanied the commercial-scale spread of slavery and the imposition of the legal and social structure of the colonisers resulting in a hostile environment to local self-determination and culture around the World. After the English had got bored with clobbering each other with the end of the English civil war they then turned to clobbering other people - or dividing and ruling - other peoples’ Lands! NZ at least escaped the commercial slavery which marked the earlier period of the British Empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoploss View Post
    Talk is it’s all getting too much for her ...
    I have some sympathy but the Labour party had 9 years to groom some talent and have failed to do this . In addition the deal they signed with Winston ( we didn’t get to see) seems to give him a lot of latitude .No wonder Helen has been in the background , but is it too little too late ?
    Well, I have zero sympathy.

    Ask any new parent how hard a job it is and they will unanimously tell you it is damn tough. It was Jacindas choice to remain PM - even withe the legions of little helpers and RNZAF aircraft to help out.

    It was the PM (along with the party) who decided to go with Winston. Ask anyone and they would have said that was always going to be problematic (even if you were National or Labour)

    It was the PM who decided to use gender quotas as a basis for cabinet selection rather than merit. Anyone will tell you that is fraught with risk - the main one being incompetent people get promoted above their ability.

    It was the PM who knew what talent (or lack of) she had to work with. She is the one who decided to push on ahead with a dehydrated puddle talent pool.

    She made her bed - she can go lie in it. (as can the Labour voters who really need to be asking themselves how it is that they were so easily swayed to get in behind her).

    In the meantime clock is ticking towards 4.30 on Friday afternoon. Cant be long before we hear about Meka Whaitiri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    I'm the first to admit I'm a bit dense. But how does $1.5m for Andrew Littles recent Justice Summit add up. A two day talk fest with 600 participants who had to pay their own travel and accommodation. So thats $2,500 a head or $1,250 per person per day.

    Say $150 a person venue hire, leaves me around $1,100 for lunch and other incidentals per day.

    Even at a budgeted $700k it still seems like a lot for two days of chin wagging

    And what did they achieve?
    Well, Im bamboozled. How does Chris Hipkins get to spend $3m on two summits. This time having a chat to people in Christchurch ($1.41m - around 700 people over two days) and $1.26m for approx 700 people over two days in Auckland.

    Does this government have the faintest clue what a budget it, what things cost, and how to extract value for money spent?

    Someones talking the piss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Well, Im bamboozled. How does Chris Hipkins get to spend $3m on two summits. This time having a chat to people in Christchurch ($1.41m - around 700 people over two days) and $1.26m for approx 700 people over two days in Auckland.

    Does this government have the faintest clue what a budget it, what things cost, and how to extract value for money spent?

    Someones talking the piss!
    But this from the Herald so no worries !! : " A spokesman for Ardern said today she had spoken to Hipkins, and all ministers were clear about her expectations on the costs of such summits."

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    But this from the Herald so no worries !! : " A spokesman for Ardern said today she had spoken to Hipkins, and all ministers were clear about her expectations on the costs of such summits."
    Does this mean Cindy approves of $1000 per person and day for entertainment? Well, I guess if you want it all singing and dancing it might not be that much. At the end it is just the dumb old taxpayer footing the bill - and raising taxes, this is one thing Labour is really good at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Does this mean Cindy approves of $1000 per person and day for entertainment? Well, I guess if you want it all singing and dancing it might not be that much. At the end it is just the dumb old taxpayer footing the bill - and raising taxes, this is one thing Labour is really good at.
    I suppose we will never find out what she thinks or approves of, with her cancelling radio interview with Heather Du-Plessis Allan and her scheduled weekend appearances on The Nation and Q&A.

    I see Derek Handley also got paid $ 107k for 3 months pay and for moving his family from New York to take up the job that he never started, but had been promised and now won't get !!! What blimmin fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    And the next crusade from Labour and the Greens will be to make our children bilingual by force. To be honest, it is something I´ve been in favour of for decades. I am thoroughly disappointed in our school system for being completely useless with language tutoring and have always encouraged my children to seriously study languagaes, sadly to no avail. My 23 year old daughter who ´s been working in Europe for the last few months even said to me recently, "now I know what you mean dad". After working with young multi lingual Europeans, she realises how ill equipped she is for the World.
    BUT, Maori it should not be. It should be a language that actually advances our young people´s standing in the World and gives them added opportunities. The Maori language is of NO USE whatsoever for them and this ¨politically correct¨ nonsense and social engineering infuriates me.

    Placing the cultural issues aside there s good reasons for te reo from an educational/development perspective.


    Actually te reo is a great second language to learn, it is a relatively easy language to learn and a great spring board to becoming multilingual. Even if they just learnt te reo and did not go onto learn an additional language the linguistics ability will be greatly enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    I suppose we will never find out what she thinks or approves of, with her cancelling radio interview with Heather Du-Plessis Allan and her scheduled weekend appearances on The Nation and Q&A.
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    Jacinda is spending time on hwat a Kind, transparent goverenmetn actually means.

    Then she is going to sit down with a calculator and calendar. Shes going to take 14 September less one month = teh date Handley accepted a job offer. Then shes going to go back to all her press conferences, statements in teh house and media statements and figure out why it was the teeny weeny fact that Curran had actually offered a job to someone was something that was not mentioned at all. And then shes going to realise that her definitions of a kind, transparent and open government does not actually match her actions

    Then shes going to do the country a favour and resign

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Does this mean Cindy approves of $1000 per person and day for entertainment? Well, I guess if you want it all singing and dancing it might not be that much. At the end it is just the dumb old taxpayer footing the bill - and raising taxes, this is one thing Labour is really good at.
    Reports coming out now that the catering bill for the justice summit - just catering - $880,000. Not official reports AFAIK but the costs are to be released soon we shall see.

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    Audrey Young reckons the 2nd honeymoon is over for the Government, the one between Labour and NZ First : https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12125151

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    At least under National you get a 90 day probationary period - Labour will fire you before you start.
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    What’s behind this mini?

    "The Prime Minister also needs to assure New Zealanders that the handling of Mr Handley's citizenship was above board, since he was quoted back in March saying: 'The Government changed and in its first month, this was done'," he said. (He being Bridges)
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    At least under National you get a 90 day probationary period - Labour will fire you before you start.
    Classic!

    To be fair, though - I don't think National would have hired a CTO who's main achievement was to destroy the shareholder capital of not just one but two New Zealand startups ... no matter how smooth he might be able to talk in secret meetings with ex-"open government" minsters ...
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