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    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/08/1...piracy-theory/
    We have the Deputy Leader and the Leader of the Opposition promoting actual conspiracy theories…
    so Kim Hill’s brutal destruction of Crusher’s crazy conspiracy theory is a necessary antidote to active promotion of fear and ignorance attempting to manipulate panic for political gain.
    This matters!
    What National are doing is dangerous!
    Of course we need a Loyal Opposition holding a Government with vast police State Powers to account! No one is saying we shouldn’t and Simon Bridges did an amazing job of holding the Government to account when he was running those Select Committees, but this isn’t a Loyal Opposition, this is a Toxic Opposition who are promoting Conspiracy Theories at a time when the electorate is terrified!
    National are not trying to hold the Government to account as the loyal Opposition, they are a Toxic Opposition openly feeding conspiracy theories that risk destabilising civil society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/08/1...piracy-theory/
    We have the Deputy Leader and the Leader of the Opposition promoting actual conspiracy theories…
    so Kim Hill’s brutal destruction of Crusher’s crazy conspiracy theory is a necessary antidote to active promotion of fear and ignorance attempting to manipulate panic for political gain.
    This matters!
    What National are doing is dangerous!
    Of course we need a Loyal Opposition holding a Government with vast police State Powers to account! No one is saying we shouldn’t and Simon Bridges did an amazing job of holding the Government to account when he was running those Select Committees, but this isn’t a Loyal Opposition, this is a Toxic Opposition who are promoting Conspiracy Theories at a time when the electorate is terrified!
    National are not trying to hold the Government to account as the loyal Opposition, they are a Toxic Opposition openly feeding conspiracy theories that risk destabilising civil society.
    No they are not. Brownlee just queried the govts holding back of information and he was right. The govt knew a long while ago we had covid but did not tell us. They did tell us to get masks etc and be ready for another outbreak. The govt were being disingenuous.

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    The most dangerous time for NZ now is the incompetence of MOH and the government in their mishandling of the post lockdown border control.

    NZers endured months of punishing lockdown in full expectations that our borders will be secured in every way possible against an introduction of Covid-19.

    The ongoing quarantine & border debacles, one after another, show that this government has no coherent plan and no idea how to protect NZers.

    Watching & listening to Chris Hipkins ducking and diving this morning around the introduction of compulsory testing for frontline workers bring home the fact that this government is continuously behind the curve when it comes to keeping covid-19 out, post lockdown.

    Chris found it so hard to answer a simple question - why weren’t front line staff tested as a matter of course?

    He cannot or will not answer the simple question.

    Answer - It’s compulsory now, he replied.

    Q - Why not before?

    A - We were testing those showing symptoms.

    Q - But a lot of cases are asymptomatic.

    A - We are testing them now.

    Get the picture?
    Last edited by Balance; 14-08-2020 at 07:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    No they are not. Brownlee just queried the govts holding back of information and he was right. The govt knew a long while ago we had covid but did not tell us. They did tell us to get masks etc and be ready for another outbreak. The govt were being disingenuous.
    Well National have you fooled but not the rest of the public.
    Any fool could see how and why he was trying to seed rumors and create a story.
    Dirty politics is just their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Well National have you fooled but not the rest of the public.
    Any fool could see how and why he was trying to seed rumors and create a story.
    Dirty politics is just their way.
    And PR spin (which insidiously fools the public) is this government’s modus operandi to bluff their way out of the messes they create.

    No answer or explanation yet from Chris & Cindy why all frontline staff were not tested as a matter of course.

    Another stuff up to be covered up by PR spin.

    Kiwibuild, anyone?
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    Auckland University Professor of Medicine Des Gorman rated the Government's response as "somewhere between two and three" out of 10.

    "I've seen health systems manage medical emergencies worse than this but it takes some doing," Gorman told Hosking. "It's like we're living in a parallel universe."

    He was particularly astounded that only a third of border workers had been tested up until this week. "I thought someone was pulling my leg."

    New Zealand had now had the same experience as Australia, Vietnam and other countries whose elimination strategies had been undermined by cases through the border.

    "If we are going to have a keep-it-out, stamp-it-out [approach], then we need to keep it out as much as possible, stamp it out as quickly as possible... but you can't keep reacting the way we are to clusters by plunging society back into deep freeze."

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    Again, this CoVid-19 outbreak will make or break this gov't. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...d19-in-tokoroa

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Well National have you fooled but not the rest of the public.
    Any fool could see how and why he was trying to seed rumors and create a story.
    Dirty politics is just their way.
    Quote Originally Posted by RGR367 View Post
    Again, this CoVid-19 outbreak will make or break this gov't. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...d19-in-tokoroa

    And in the real world, this is what is happening - MOH & government incapable of putting in place (and complete failure to adhere to) very basic precautions :

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...tomatic-people

    A woman tested at an Auckland pop-up clinic had to queue in a tent with other symptomatic people – with little social distancing and hardly anyone wearing a mask.

    Begs the question as to what have been actually happening at the border and quarantine centers, does it not?

    It's no wonder that we have community transmission!

    Cindy's new slogan : "Let's Keep Spreading"?
    Last edited by Balance; 14-08-2020 at 10:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    No they are not. Brownlee just queried the govts holding back of information and he was right. The govt knew a long while ago we had covid but did not tell us. They did tell us to get masks etc and be ready for another outbreak. The govt were being disingenuous.
    Not true that the govt knew a long while ago we had covid but did not tell us. We had no community spread of covid that the government knew of, but they were expecting it especially because of what happened in Australia and Vietnam.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12354865
    Vietnam misses out on 100 days of no community transmission.

    After 99 straight days of no local transmission, cases have suddenly surged in the south east Asian nation – a worrying sign for any country or state that thinks it has the virus under control.
    And that includes New Zealand, which yesterday marked its own 99-day run without community transmission.
    Remarkably, up until a week ago, Vietnam had yet to record a single death from coronavirus. One week on, the death toll stands at 10.

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    More praise for Jacinda from overseas academics.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12356461
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's communication style during New Zealand's lockdown has been praised by academics who have studied her messaging to Kiwis throughout the pandemic.
    The research study, co-authored by academics from four universities in Scotland, found informal videos from Ardern's home helped the country unite in the fight against Covid-19.
    The study found she conveyed her messaging in a "clear and relatable way", helping create the "team of five million" come together.
    The pandemic had severely tested the leadership and communication abilities of political leaders globally and required them to demonstrate not only effective planning but an ability to communicate clear and consistent messages in an empathetic manner as well.

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