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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    People are concerned about child poverty but if addressing it affects them personally by paying more taxes or house prices falling their support wanes, because of nimbyism.
    I'm not sure whether it's nimbyism, but the innate selfishness in humans.

    We see similar behaviour when it comes to 'supporting local'. Consumers indicate their preference to support local, however if they can obtain the same product cheaper (typically from an overseas retailer that does not need to cover CGA costs etc.) then that's what they'll do, in many cases from experience not before loudly chastising you in front of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    House prices rising out of control and out of reach - https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/h...-rising-prices
    If Labour promise to rein in house prices this term, they're on a hiding to nowhere. Given the current set of circumstances, I can't see any effective way of leveling off prices within the next 3 years.

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    I’d rather live next to a complex full of low income single men, than a luxury apartment block full of snobby, judgmental pricks.

    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    Buyers should buy carefully as they will not want to be living next to a high density complex designed for more than a few low income single men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    People are concerned about child poverty but if addressing it affects them personally by paying more taxes or house prices falling their support wanes, because of nimbyism.
    Your response to my comment above.
    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    The mind boggles at the staggering amount of research and the massive number of surveys you have obviously undertaken to provide such information. Some sceptical readers will no doubt think you are just making a wild claim. Shame on them.
    Here is some evidence that people who would no doubt be concerned about child poverty, and yet they are opposing social housing in their leafy suburb. A lack of low cost housing is one of the contributors to child poverty. This was in todayís news and it is not unusual for residents to oppose social housing initiatives in their suburbs.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123...ng-development
    Residents in leafy Christchurch suburb called 'classist' for opposing social housing development

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble justakiwi, but Ardern is as cynical as they come....just a little better at masking it. Pragmatic as well perhaps.

    Examples?.....

    The cynical manipulation of the virus situation, ramping up the fear etc

    I could go on....but you get the picture
    No, I donít get the picture - that Ardern is cynical as they come.
    You are the cynical one and it shows in how you interpret her actions as in the comment below.
    The cynical manipulation of the virus situation, ramping up the fear etc

    Most of us saw her acting out of genuine concern to a real threat. I couldnít see any cynicism in the other examples you gave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    And I ❤️ It!

    BONANZA time - all that lovely wasteful spending! Just make sure you get more than your share as I have and will do in the next 3 years.

    Think of the wage subsidy - the multinationals are still laughing their heads off with the hundreds of millions of dollars they took off this government & NZers. 藍藍藍
    Balance is talking about predatory capitalism and he loves it. He is encouraging others to join in and get more than your share. Exploiting others including the taxpayer is something to be proud of. If you can rip someone off you'd be a fool not to do it, is the attitude. Honesty, integrity, ethics is sadly lacking in the business world today. Greed is good. Money is power.

    http://regnet.anu.edu.au/news-events...d-institutions
    Predatory capitalism refers to cultural acceptance of domination and exploitation as normal economic practice. Examples include not only corporate and financial fraud and political corruption that goes unchallenged, but also the undermining of trade unions, the suppression of wages, the promulgation of economic slavery, and wealth creation through imposing debt on vulnerable entities.
    Less well scrutinized is how predatory capitalism has disrupted non-economic institutions, particularly cultural, social and democratic institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    Balance is talking about predatory capitalism and he loves it. He is encouraging others to join in and get more than your share. Exploiting others including the taxpayer is something to be proud of. If you can rip someone off you'd be a fool not to do it, is the attitude. Honesty, integrity, ethics is sadly lacking in the business world today. Greed is good. Money is power. .....
    There are rules, set by those actually in power. If people and organisations stay within those rules how is that predatory? Individuals and business owners have always, and will always, look out for their households and stakeholders. If they stray outside the rules there are consequences.

    Households and business owners might be well off or they might not. But to suggest they should not act within the rules and in their own interests because that is lacking honesty, integrity and ethics? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    One prediction, I believe is quite possible, is that Jacinda Ardern will not serve out the next three years as Leader of the Labour Party and Prime Minister. I believe that she will stand down toward the end of 2022
    You are simply speculating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Chill, justakiwi!

    Why would I fume over Labour's win or National's big loss?

    Governments come and go - along the way they formulate & implement some pretty dumb policies which are there to be taken advantage of.

    In the case of Cindy's incompetent government, there is already and will continue to be a legacy of building up humongous debts from the wasteful spending for future generations to carry and be burdened with.

    The only way you can counter it is to make sure you get more than your share and provide for your own future generation. And one can choose to donate to worthy causes of one's choice - no point getting worked up over the government's wasteful ineffective spending.

    Fair enough?
    Your comments over a long period of time suggest you are a very sore loser who is still fuming and nothing will change any time soon. My prediction - you will continue to embarrass yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    Balance is talking about predatory capitalism and he loves it. He is encouraging others to join in and get more than your share. Exploiting others including the taxpayer is something to be proud of. If you can rip someone off you'd be a fool not to do it, is the attitude. Honesty, integrity, ethics is sadly lacking in the business world today. Greed is good. Money is power.
    You have a sad attitude. There is no need to envy success. It should inspire you, but appears to make you envious. I've been hovering around the business world for decades and have rarely encountered this lack of honesty, ethics and integrity that you speak of. On the contrary, I have found those who have attained success, either through self employment, or have climbed high on someone else's ladder to generally be helpful with a joyful spirit. Of course there are exceptions, but they're not common in my experience. You reek of the green eyed monster.
    Last edited by fungus pudding; 25-10-2020 at 06:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    Balance is talking about predatory capitalism and he loves it. He is encouraging others to join in and get more than your share. Exploiting others including the taxpayer is something to be proud of. If you can rip someone off you'd be a fool not to do it, is the attitude. Honesty, integrity, ethics is sadly lacking in the business world today. Greed is good. Money is power.

    http://regnet.anu.edu.au/news-events...d-institutions
    Predatory capitalism refers to cultural acceptance of domination and exploitation as normal economic practice. Examples include not only corporate and financial fraud and political corruption that goes unchallenged, but also the undermining of trade unions, the suppression of wages, the promulgation of economic slavery, and wealth creation through imposing debt on vulnerable entities.
    Less well scrutinized is how predatory capitalism has disrupted non-economic institutions, particularly cultural, social and democratic institutions.
    I would have thought "Predatory Capitalism" is better described as "Unfettered".

    One could exchange Predatory Capitalism for Cultural Marxism in much of the definition above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    One prediction, I believe is quite possible, is that Jacinda Ardern will not serve out the next three years as Leader of the Labour Party and Prime Minister. I believe that she will stand down toward the end of 2022
    I am of the same view

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    I would have thought "Predatory Capitalism" is better described as "Unfettered".

    One could exchange Predatory Capitalism for Cultural Marxism in much of the definition above.
    I have relations who describe themselves as socialists. I have to zip the lip not to point out that their lifestyle is well at the capitalist end of the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    I have relations who describe themselves as socialists. I have to zip the lip not to point out that their lifestyle is well at the capitalist end of the spectrum.
    Call out hypocrisy where you see it artemis. I decided to among family members a while ago (as gently as possible). I decided if I was to feel comfortable in a family setting I shouldn't bite my lip while others trod all over my sensibilities. Obviously has to be done with tact, but you have to make a stand sometimes....even with friends and family members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Call out hypocrisy where you see it artemis. I decided to among family members a while ago (as gently as possible). I decided if I was to feel comfortable in a family setting I shouldn't bite my lip while others trod all over my sensibilities. Obviously has to be done with tact, but you have to make a stand sometimes....even with friends and family members.
    So where do you live now?

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    I think perhaps I know Moka somewhat better than you do. If you seriously believe moka’s comments and motivation for sharing information, is because moka is envious - you are so off base its laughable. The same applies to me. Compared to many of you, I pretty much have nothing in terms of financial or other assets. I don’t have an economics or accounting degree, or any other degree for that matter. I am however, educated and reasonably intelligent. I have chosen to live a minimalist lifestyle in my caravan because that is the life I want to lead. I have never been materialistic. Up until recently Money has simply been a necessary evil. In actual fact, it still is. I got back into investing not because I have an overwhelming desire to “make money” but purely as a way to build myself a little more financial security for retirement. My life isn’t perfect but I am so much happier and more content living in my caravan and working part time in my caregiving role. Money is not my life and my life is not about material possessions. Not having “stuff” has given me more freedom than you would ever comprehend. I am not in any way envious of you or anyone in your position. The exact opposite actually. I can’t think of anything worse.

    You know nothing about moka. Your comments are nothing more than incorrect assumptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    You have a sad attitude. There is no need to envy success. It should inspire you, but appears to make you envious. I've been hovering around the business world for decades and have rarely encountered this lack of honesty, ethics and integrity that you speak of. On the contrary, I have found those who have attained success, either through self employment, or have climbed high on someone else's ladder to generally be helpful with a joyful spirit. Of course there are exceptions, but they're not common in my experience. You reek of the green eyed monster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    So where do you live now?
    I say it with lurve FP...I say it with lurve! Makes for some intense discussions, but if you can't be straight up with family and friends, then when can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    If Labour promise to rein in house prices this term, they're on a hiding to nowhere. Given the current set of circumstances, I can't see any effective way of leveling off prices within the next 3 years.
    The housing crisis which Cindy pledged to tackle and overcome has become a housing chaos (thanks to her government's total incompetence).

    In the next three years, housing will become a total disaster - house prices are currently going up by $10,000 a month in Auckland! Try saving that kind of money even if you are earning $180k a year!

    But you can be sure that ever more money by the billions of dollars will be thrown at the problem without Cindy having a clue how to solve the problem - because she is USELESS - all talk and no solution or delivery.

    The billions of dollars of borrowed money will be her legacy - a burden to be borne by future generations.

    The total disaster is NOT going to stop the multitude of consultants making hundreds of millions of dollars in fees, and definitely not going to stop property speculators and developers making billions of dollars - ENJOY!

    Just make sure you get more than your share to protect your future generations - because the government will be incapable of looking after them.

    I ❤️ It!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Call out hypocrisy where you see it artemis. I decided to among family members a while ago (as gently as possible). I decided if I was to feel comfortable in a family setting I shouldn't bite my lip while others trod all over my sensibilities. Obviously has to be done with tact, but you have to make a stand sometimes....even with friends and family members.
    Depends on the family. Some just want to get in an argument. Not interested sorry, not sorry.There are ways other than words. I find a very small smile and no engagement with words works well enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    Balance is talking about predatory capitalism and he loves it. He is encouraging others to join in and get more than your share. Exploiting others including the taxpayer is something to be proud of. If you can rip someone off you'd be a fool not to do it, is the attitude. Honesty, integrity, ethics is sadly lacking in the business world today. Greed is good. Money is power.

    http://regnet.anu.edu.au/news-events...d-institutions
    Predatory capitalism refers to cultural acceptance of domination and exploitation as normal economic practice. Examples include not only corporate and financial fraud and political corruption that goes unchallenged, but also the undermining of trade unions, the suppression of wages, the promulgation of economic slavery, and wealth creation through imposing debt on vulnerable entities.
    Less well scrutinized is how predatory capitalism has disrupted non-economic institutions, particularly cultural, social and democratic institutions.

    Interesting post thanks Moka. I am not familiar with the term predatory capitalism and will do some research into it.

    I find the sentiment that we should try and get more than our fair share quite distasteful and the word exploitation also came to mind. They say people are motivated by either need or greed and greed was the other word that came to mind reading that post. But that is clearly how some people choose to live their lives. My upbringing and values are quite different so that is not how I choose to live my life.
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