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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    Not at all . In taking some exercise for himself and his family Clark was doing the right thing. A car being involved was possibly his only error.
    Simon however, sitting in a car for hundreds of Ks because he has a poor internet connection?

    You should get away from the computer and get more exercise - it will make a big difference

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    And there you have it - hypocrisy is fine as long as it is done by Cindy or her ministers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Disagree.

    This thread is about how the Labour/NZF/Green government is doing right or wrong - not a rallying thread on Coronavirus.
    Sure - I am just suggesting that if the mountain bike trip of our health minister is the most terrible thing our government did, than we must truly have an amazing government.

    Lets look at the big picture, don't sweat the small stuff ... shall we?

    I will judge the government at the end on whether they manage to bring us through this crisis with a minimum of human and economical damage. If this means that they don't fire an official for driving 35 in a 30 zone .... or for driving his mountain bike to a track, then so be it.

    I prefer a government to look at the big picture instead of getting diverted by small minded nitpicking. But hey - that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Sure - I am just suggesting that if the mountain bike trip of our health minister is the most terrible thing our government did, than we must truly have an amazing government.

    Lets look at the big picture, don't sweat the small stuff ... shall we?

    I will judge the government at the end on whether they manage to bring us through this crisis with a minimum of human and economical damage. If this means that they don't fire an official for driving 35 in a 30 zone .... or for driving his mountain bike to a track, then so be it.

    I prefer a government to look at the big picture instead of getting diverted by small minded nitpicking. But hey - that's just me.
    Am looking at the big picture - of a government which talks the talk, but does not walk the talk.

    Plus, a damning indictment of a government so bereft of talent that the PM has to swallow hard and not fire a hypocrite.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...s-this-is-over

    "This is the Health Minister breaking and undermining an extremely stringent set of rules his own government has put in place for health purposes. It fulfils every stereotype of politicians as people who are happy to write rules but not abide by them."

    David Clark is GONE - Cindy will fire him as she will not want to go into an election with the David 'My Values Are Labour's Values' Clark stench.
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    Ardern's lessons in leadership
    "Persuading many to act for the collective good

    The work of another leadership scholar, the UK's Professor Keith Grint, also sheds light on Ardern’s leadership approach during this crisis.
    For Grint, leadership involves persuading the collective to take responsibility for collective problems. Much of the prime minister's public commentary has been dedicated to exactly that – and it’s been overwhelmingly effective, at least so far, with a recent poll showing 80 per cent support for the government’s response to Covid-1"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Ardern's lessons in leadership
    "Persuading many to act for the collective good

    The work of another leadership scholar, the UK's Professor Keith Grint, also sheds light on Ardern’s leadership approach during this crisis.
    For Grint, leadership involves persuading the collective to take responsibility for collective problems. Much of the prime minister's public commentary has been dedicated to exactly that – and it’s been overwhelmingly effective, at least so far, with a recent poll showing 80 per cent support for the government’s response to Covid-1"
    Yes I read that article too and largely agree that she is a brilliant communicator. Whether the decisions were correct is where the jury is still out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Am looking at the big picture - of a government which talks the talk, but does not walk the talk.

    Plus, a damning indictment of a government so bereft of talent that the PM has to swallow hard and not fire a hypocrite.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...s-this-is-over

    "This is the Health Minister breaking and undermining an extremely stringent set of rules his own government has put in place for health purposes. It fulfils every stereotype of politicians as people who are happy to write rules but not abide by them."

    David Clark is GONE - Cindy will fire him as she will not want to go into an election with the David 'My Values Are Labour's Values' Clark stench.
    Now that Clare Curran is out of the picture, who should she replace him with? Twyford or Lees-Galloway? Both useless but probably as good as she's got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Now that Clare Curran is out of the picture, who should she replace him with? Twyford or Lees-Galloway? Both useless but probably as good as she's got.
    She should sack him right now and bring in David Parker

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    She should sack him right now and bring in David Parker
    That would be the worst move possible. A waste of space, walking disaster, minister. Maybe Nash, Faafoi or Prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    That would be the worst move possible. A waste of space, walking disaster, minister. Maybe Nash, Faafoi or Prime.
    Prime is in no way ready for a ministerial position, let alone Health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Yes I read that article too and largely agree that she is a brilliant communicator. Whether the decisions were correct is where the jury is still out.
    Just remember that it isn't Jacinda alone making all this stuff up - there is a group coming up with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Ardern's lessons in leadership
    "Persuading many to act for the collective good

    The work of another leadership scholar, the UK's Professor Keith Grint, also sheds light on Ardern’s leadership approach during this crisis.
    For Grint, leadership involves persuading the collective to take responsibility for collective problems. Much of the prime minister's public commentary has been dedicated to exactly that – and it’s been overwhelmingly effective, at least so far, with a recent poll showing 80 per cent support for the government’s response to Covid-1"
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    So overwhelmingly effective that her Health Minister could not understand and ignored her communication!

    Same sort of polling which has Trump's ratings soaring for his handling of the virus outbreak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Same sort of polling which has Trump's ratings soaring for his handling of the virus outbreak?
    Scary eh? ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Just remember that it isn't Jacinda alone making all this stuff up - there is a group coming up with it.
    Oh I'm well aware of that. Like I said, she is a brilliant communicator. As far as developing policy goes, she is clueless.

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    "Whether you're comparing Ardern's performance against other Western leaders, or assessing her efforts using researchers' measures of leadership excellence, as a New Zealander I think there is much to be grateful for in how she is leading us through this crisis."

    Im grateful .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
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    So overwhelmingly effective that her Health Minister could not understand and ignored her communication!

    Same sort of polling which has Trump's ratings soaring for his handling of the virus outbreak?
    Thats so funny it just proves you are in an alternate world and truly divorced from reality. So big of you to be so divisive and attempting to be destructive when we need the opposite. Like you denying that you called the prop cycle wrong.
    Build a bridge and get over it.

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