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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Yet you talk about 'their' main achievement, when all along it has been 'her' achievement that sees them riding high. She is an excellent communicator, dripping with charisma, but they can't survive on that alone - and they have little else. .
    Exactly - basically it’s brand Cindy vs Team National.

    Comes September after the winter of discontent, what will brand Cindy show for the 3 years of being in government? As Bob Jones wrote, the record unemployment and business failures will sweep Cindy & her incompetents out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Exactly - basically it’s brand Cindy vs Team National.

    Comes September after the winter of discontent, what will brand Cindy show for the 3 years of being in government? As Bob Jones wrote, the record unemployment and business failures will sweep Cindy & her incompetents out.
    We are likely to come out of this in world leading shape in almost all aspects, why risk the change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Exactly - basically it’s brand Cindy vs Team National.

    Comes September after the winter of discontent, what will brand Cindy show for the 3 years of being in government? As Bob Jones wrote, the record unemployment and business failures will sweep Cindy & her incompetents out.
    They won't be swept out in September though. That comes about 2 months too early especially with the extended wage subsidy.

    I just managed to pick up some National provide next prime minister at $8.00 at betfair.com. That is the odds at the moment on National getting in. Not looking good at all. But I thought $8.00 was a bit rich and will be able to get out of that bet and trade it at a lower price somewhere down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    We are likely to come out of this in world leading shape in almost all aspects, why risk the change?
    Because, with any luck, New Zealand is unlikely to suffer another term of disasters such as endured recently and is more likely to need sound government, than star-quality empathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    We are likely to come out of this in world leading shape in almost all aspects, why risk the change?
    Because it is less of a risk than leaving the economy to such a nugatory dead-beat assorted collection of riff-raff misfits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Because it is less of a risk than leaving the economy to such a nugatory dead-beat assorted collection of riff-raff misfits.
    Learnt a new word 'nugatory' today - thanks. And agreed, hard to get a more useless bunch of economic incompetents who have failed to deliver anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Learnt a new word 'nugatory' today - thanks. And agreed, hard to get a more useless bunch of economic incompetents who have failed to deliver anything.
    They have delivered a covid-free NZ and allieviated a recession/depression. The only reasonable response is to thank Cindy for saving lives (including yours) jobs and other minor things like those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    They have delivered a covid free NZ and allieviated a recession/depression. The appropriate response is to thank Cindy for saving lives (including yours) jobs and other things.
    If she had acted earlier (like Taiwan), we would not have needed the self-acknowledged 'strictest' job-destructive lockdown in the world.

    I have higher expectations than what have been delivered.

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    So we are in second place rather than first, a hardly relevant issue considering what else is going on in the world. I guaruntee Nats would have kept the borders open (simon only said he wouldn't after the fact). They have opposed extending the lockdown time and again.
    Last edited by Panda-NZ-; 23-05-2020 at 03:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    They have delivered a covid-free NZ and allieviated a recession/depression. The only reasonable response is to thank Cindy for saving lives (including yours) jobs and other minor things like those.
    You do not know if they have alleviated or elevated a recession or depression. You do not know if they have saved lives, or cost lives. I do not know either. Nobody knows or can possibly know for ten years or more. We do know that they have cost jobs. Whatever course of action taken was a gamble. I take my hat off to her for sticking to the decision they made and for fronting the campaign in the bold manner she did. But that does not deserve thanks.

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