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    So many countries will be envious of our position here as global business keeps slowing and brexit , trade wars mess with confidence.

    "That means nearly one in every $10 collected by the Government on paper unspent on day to day operations, giving it plenty of room for election year tax cuts or increased welfare spending.

    And comments today from Finance Minister Grant Robertson appear to show the Government beginning to heed calls for more spending.
    But this year's surplus was messy, with $2.6 billion of it coming from a revision to the way Treasury treats KiwiRail - in effect a surplus on paper, and roughly $1 billion coming from a change to the way IRD books taxes.
    That still leaves a very healthy surplus of $3.9 billion, which the Government will be happy with, but it will lead to renewed calls for Finance Minister Grant Robertson to loosen the purse strings and stimulate the economy as growth rates start to slow."
    Huge $7.5b surplus, calls for spending

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    I completely agree with your comments about all of those great people. But the world is changing. Aside from the Dalai Lama, all those other prize winners, came from a very different time in history. We have not seen those kind of people fighting those kinds of causes, for many years. I have no idea why that is, and it in no way lessens the achievements of that group of people. But we have to choose winners now, from the people we have currently. Jacinda has worked incredibly hard towards uniting people, building harmony and peace amongst different cultures, and has had the balls to stand up and speak out against racism, prejudice and terrorism. Not too many leaders have had the courage to do that lately. She genuinely cares about people. I am not necessarily saying she should win a Nobel prize, but I do believe the nomination is very well deserved.

    Out of curiosity, who would you consider a worthy recipient right now?

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    If you take a look at those who have been awarded Nobel Peace Laureates and what they have done to deserve it, there is no comparison imo that Ms Adern could possibly rank amongst the worlds great and deserving peace leaders.

    Take Nelson Mandela for example, awarded in 1993 after a lifetime of opposing apartheid. Then there's Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King, Dalai Lama and so on and so forth.

    Have a look here ... nobel-peace-prize, let us know why you think Ms Adern belongs with these great people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Not forgetting the surplus. Super low unemployment= higher tax take and a great surplus to use down the track if the global economy really does turn turtle, reassuring steady pilot grant robertson.

    $11 billion black hole ehhh Joyce really helped lose the election for national who now have to rebuild credibility and thats not possible with bridges delusions of grandeur.
    Economists and Labour know full well the surplus can be attributed to National. It is always the way when a government transitions. As for it being used down the track...it is being used to pay down debt, the wisdom of which is debatable when you have record low interest rates.

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    national are out of your mind.. maybe put that on the other lonely thread Interest rates are going lower for longer. i trust robertson and his timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    I completely agree with your comments about all of those great people. But the world is changing. Aside from the Dalai Lama, all those other prize winners, came from a very different time in history. We have not seen those kind of people fighting those kinds of causes, for many years. I have no idea why that is, and it in no way lessens the achievements of that group of people. But we have to choose winners now, from the people we have currently. Jacinda has worked incredibly hard towards uniting people, building harmony and peace amongst different cultures, and has had the balls to stand up and speak out against racism, prejudice and terrorism. Not too many leaders have had the courage to do that lately. She genuinely cares about people. I am not necessarily saying she should win a Nobel prize, but I do believe the nomination is very well deserved.

    Out of curiosity, who would you consider a worthy recipient right now?
    We do not know who the 301 nominees for this year’s prize are, so it's not something I can speculate on other than not think Ms Adern has done nearly enough, for long enough, to win the Laureate. We'll know the winner soon enough, the Nobel committee announce the winner on Friday.

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    Greta way ahead in the odds atm.Jacinda 4th. heres hoping

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    I do not believe Greta should have been nominated. She is fighting for action against climate change. Yes, one could argue there is a connection between the two, but that would be a very far stretch for me.

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    Greta way ahead in the odds atm.Jacinda 4th. heres hoping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Greta way ahead in the odds atm.Jacinda 4th. heres hoping

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    Thunberg being from Scandinavia will stand her in good stead. However she hasn't exactly preached peace. As for Cindy, it would be confirmation that the Nobel Committee has lost all credibility. They have been hit and miss for years, Al Gore probably being the low point. Then again if he is the standard, Cindy is a shoe-in. BS and virtue signalling just might get her over the line.

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    Thanks i just hope for your sake for one she gets it, priceless

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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    I do not believe Greta should have been nominated. She is fighting for action against climate change. Yes, one could argue there is a connection between the two, but that would be a very far stretch for me.
    Not just that. Should such a stroppy, aggressive and rude little know-it-all be associated with peace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Not just that. Should such a stroppy, aggressive and rude little know-it-all be associated with peace?
    I am sure she would be much more deserving than e.g. Kim Yong-Un, Vladimir Putin or Donald Trump - and they all are as well on this list (though this might be just a reflection on human stupidity).

    As well, while I am not saying she would deserve the price - I don't think the committee should reward a persons lack of aggressiveness (or stroppiness ), but which contribution the candidates made to reduce or prevent conflicts.

    If we look however at the increasing stream of refugees around the world which at least partially is produced by extreme climate events (worsening the economic basis of refugees from Central America going into the US and of Africans going to Europe), then shaking up mankind and at least trying to mitigate the threat of further deterioration (and an avalanche of refugees which might not always come peacefully), then one could argue she might well be deserving.

    So far I think she did a better job than Al Gore in terms of bringing the subject into the headlines - and didn't Al Gore get the price as well?
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    Jacinda doesn’t think she’s in the running Because “Over the last year I have done nothing but my job."

    Some would say that statement is 3 words too long.
    “Just consider that maybe the probability of you being wrong is higher than you think.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Jacinda doesn’t think she’s in the running Because “Over the last year I have done nothing but my job."

    Some would say that statement is 3 words too long.
    Some might say that, but I don't think that would be fair. Obviously - one could question, whether she did her job in its entirety, but her performance after the Christchurch terror attacks was definitely outstanding.

    It is some of the other parts of her job I would be concerned about:
    • Kiwi build: failure
    • Justice reform (yes, we do need one!): failure
    • Tax hikes - well, she delivered (one could say over delivered), but is this really what we wanted and need?
    • Education: Now just more expensive but less capable (killing of charter schools just to please the unions): failure;
    • hiring and leading a capable team ... hmm, maybe one could say she did the best she could do with a bad lot ..
    • running an open, transparent and honest government - oh dear ....
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    A very capable team for sure i agree with that nothing else but im not a negative bitter depressed national sad sack. Thank god for the reviews the govt instigated exposing neglect and lack of spending from the previous "glossy" govt. Now that stale ,irrelevent party is lying, faking and misinforming as well as kicking own goals. Simon has to go hes dragged his party into the cesspit with him, shame dear shame

    Great the selection panel for the Nobel peace prize are unbiased. Our Prime Minister is a top four chance of winning and deservedly so. Humble about it too but never enough for the tall poppy syndrome brigade.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    A very capable team for sure i agree with that nothing else but im not a negative bitter depressed national sad sack. Thank god for the reviews the govt instigated exposing neglect and lack of spending from the previous "glossy" govt. Now that stale ,irrelevent party is lying, faking and misinforming as well as kicking own goals. Simon has to go hes dragged his party into the cesspit with him, shame dear shame

    Great the selection panel for the Nobel peace prize are unbiased. Our Prime Minister is a top four chance of winning and deservedly so. Humble about it too but never enough for the tall poppy syndrome brigade.lol
    I for one am not a "negative bitter depressed national sad sack". Grant Robertson is probably the only capable Cabinet Minister she has, not that I necessarily agree with how he operates. Andrew Little is in way over his head and has, I suspect, been reined in by some wise heads in the Justice Ministry. Remember he was keen to do away with presumption of innocence in trials of a sexual crime? Keen to do away with one of the foundations of our democracy, established and hard fought for over centuries. Don't get me started on Curran, Genter, Lees Galloway and the rest of the sorry bunch. They scare the crap out of me.

    And at the head of the table (when Winston isn't pushing her aside) sits the most cynical politician we have seen in a generation. Suckled on the breast of her great mentor Aunty Helen in the art of politics, but without her brains. Prepared to smile and weedle her way out of any scandal by expecting us to believe she wasn't aware, while initiating reviews into inquiries ad nauseum. Oh, and promising transparent government all the while.

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    A three-headed dog?

    National certainly dodged a bullet in 2017. Thank you Winston!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    I for one am not a "negative bitter depressed national sad sack". Grant Robertson is probably the only capable Cabinet Minister she has, not that I necessarily agree with how he operates. Andrew Little is in way over his head and has, I suspect, been reined in by some wise heads in the Justice Ministry. Remember he was keen to do away with presumption of innocence in trials of a sexual crime? Keen to do away with one of the foundations of our democracy, established and hard fought for over centuries. Don't get me started on Curran, Genter, Lees Galloway and the rest of the sorry bunch. They scare the crap out of me.
    You've omitted the star of the show, Twyford. Although he features in 'the rest of the sorry bunch' he has definitely earned a spot in the highlights.

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    [QUOTE=jonu;774027]I for one am not a "negative bitter depressed national sad sack". Grant Robertson is probably the only capable Cabinet Minister she has, not that I necessarily agree with how he operates. Andrew Little is in way over his head and has, I suspect, been reined in by some wise heads in the Justice Ministry. Remember he was keen to do away with presumption of innocence in trials of a sexual crime? Keen to do away with one of the foundations of our democracy, established and hard fought for over centuries. Don't get me started on Curran, Genter, Lees Galloway and the rest of the sorry bunch. They scare the crap out of me. quote

    Politicians scare the crap out of you ? You must be very easily frightened.
    Doesn,t stop you spreading misinformation though.
    .https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11289979
    Mind you fungus is terified Twyford will catch up with him.

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    Lees galloway has my highest admiration in the way he dealt with that fakery national and some media created. Overlooked was the FACT that he had not been given all the information required to make a correct decision. Something another excellent review has shown up recently re improvements in process and information sharing required. If people like jonu are manipulated so easily well that worries me. This guy states he is his own man and can sniff out the fakery in life!

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    [QUOTE=westerly;774111]
    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    I for one am not a "negative bitter depressed national sad sack". Grant Robertson is probably the only capable Cabinet Minister she has, not that I necessarily agree with how he operates. Andrew Little is in way over his head and has, I suspect, been reined in by some wise heads in the Justice Ministry. Remember he was keen to do away with presumption of innocence in trials of a sexual crime? Keen to do away with one of the foundations of our democracy, established and hard fought for over centuries. Don't get me started on Curran, Genter, Lees Galloway and the rest of the sorry bunch. They scare the crap out of me. quote

    Politicians scare the crap out of you ? You must be very easily frightened.
    Doesn,t stop you spreading misinformation though.
    .https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11289979
    Mind you fungus is terified Twyford will catch up with him.

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    I stand by what I said. No misinformation.

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