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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    Sad. But painfully true. No experience populist leader who got in on a fecked voting system that Winston decided the winner. It'll all come horribly unstuck soon enough, it just takes time for reality to catch up with screwed up ideaology. Soon enough is never soon enough, however.
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    Just wondering what business the PM ran ?? doesn't seem to want to answer a basic Question ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Poor old PM. Been caugth out telling porkies. Told Mike Hosking the other day shes ran a small NGO so has load of small business experience which is why SB is front of her mind (Easy done since its a pretty vacant space)

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    She really is a sociopath of the highest order isn't she. She lies like its going out of fashion and does not even realise that she is doing it. I thought she said during a debate before the elections that she never lies. Hmmm. Anyone that says that they do not lie is a liar by definition in my book. Some of the traits of a sociopath sum up Cindy quite accurately:

    Glibness and Superficial Charm. tick
    Manipulative and Conning. They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. ...tick
    Grandiose Sense of Self. ...tick
    Pathological Lying. ...TICK
    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt. ...tick
    Shallow Emotions. ...TICK
    Incapacity for Love. unsure what Gayford thinks of this one
    Need for Stimulation. tick

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    She really is a sociopath of the highest order isn't she. She lies like its going out of fashion and does not even realise that she is doing it. I thought she said during a debate before the elections that she never lies.
    She is so incompetent that she doesn't realise that once something is on the internet it is there fore ever.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=pPJ1MO-kT0g

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    She is so incompetent that she doesn't realise that once something is on the internet it is there fore ever.
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    Given that she is certainly the most capable minister within the entire coalition, we do have reason for concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    She really is a sociopath of the highest order isn't she.
    Her lies about her Small Business experience only go to highlight how dangerously deluded she is.

    She is a PM who believes a school kid working in a fish and chip shop is worth $20 an hour.

    That is one seriously destructive belief for the youth of NZ (especially NEET's), small business who rely on low skilled workers and companies who also have low skill work that remains in NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Given that she is certainly the most capable minister within the entire coalition, we do have reason for concern.
    I watched the parliamentary record posted above, she didn't lie but was obviously expecting Simon to make his typical insinuations about socialists, purely for the Nats listening on. Gerry Brownlee was turfed out of the house at the same time, that wasn't on the news so maybe it's quite common.

    If that is all the Nats have on Jacinda, well nothing really except that she acts on her political opinions, then they'll need a lot of good luck heading into the 2020 elections. They'll be sitting on the opposition benches for a long time yet, hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elZorro View Post
    I watched the parliamentary record posted above, she didn't lie but was obviously expecting Simon to make his typical insinuations about socialists, purely for the Nats listening on. Gerry Brownlee was turfed out of the house at the same time, that wasn't on the news so maybe it's quite common.

    If that is all the Nats have on Jacinda, well nothing really except that she acts on her political opinions, then they'll need a lot of good luck heading into the 2020 elections. They'll be sitting on the opposition benches for a long time yet, hopefully.
    What was obvious EL Z, was that she was determined for there not to be a record in parliament of her saying she had been head of the Socialist Youth, even though it is quite widely known. Bridges should have pressed her to get the words out of her mouth and the Mallard should have pinged her for continually ducking the question. (see what I did there?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    What was obvious EL Z, was that she was determined for there not to be a record in parliament of her saying she had been head of the Socialist Youth, even though it is quite widely known. Bridges should have pressed her to get the words out of her mouth and the Mallard should have pinged her for continually ducking the question. (see what I did there?)
    Also officially confirmed by the Prime Minister's office, though carefully worded to mention IUSY but not the dreaded S word.

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    Yes, very nice, jonu!


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    Quote Originally Posted by elZorro View Post
    I watched the parliamentary record posted above, she didn't lie but was obviously expecting Simon to make his typical insinuations about socialists, purely for the Nats listening on. Gerry Brownlee was turfed out of the house at the same time, that wasn't on the news so maybe it's quite common.

    If that is all the Nats have on Jacinda, well nothing really except that she acts on her political opinions, then they'll need a lot of good luck heading into the 2020 elections. They'll be sitting on the opposition benches for a long time yet, hopefully.
    In parliament question time she avoided answering two questions on her NGO experience and if she ran the Socialist Youth thing. She answered neither. She did say on the Mike Hosking radio show she ran a NGO and had small business experience - which is the lie.

    She has since gone on to apparently lie about her hiring / firing experience - that may be thrashed out in question time today.

    Brownlee was tossed out because Aderns minder (Mallard) had her back.

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    Fair enough for you excitable persons to celebrate a rare as rocking horse droppings one upman ship for bridges, even had most of his party, daggers sheathed and handicapping even, lovefesting. Just a little desperate light relief.
    Brownlie was turfed out insulting Winston. Belligerent childish stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    She really is a sociopath of the highest order isn't she. She lies like its going out of fashion and does not even realise that she is doing it. I thought she said during a debate before the elections that she never lies. Hmmm. Anyone that says that they do not lie is a liar by definition in my book. Some of the traits of a sociopath sum up Cindy quite accurately:

    Glibness and Superficial Charm. tick
    Manipulative and Conning. They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. ...tick
    Grandiose Sense of Self. ...tick
    Pathological Lying. ...TICK
    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt. ...tick
    Shallow Emotions. ...TICK
    Incapacity for Love. unsure what Gayford thinks of this one
    Need for Stimulation. tick

    You really do get all emotional with personal attacks don't you. Calling Sarah "dumb" and slandering her by stating she can't get any other job. “

    Quote from another thread. Yet you seem happy enough to make personal attacks closer to home.
    Mind you republicans enjoy using any form of attack to push their extreme free market views.

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    From Stuff:
    Gareth Kiernan, chief forecaster at Infometrics, said whether bringing properties that had not otherwise sold into the KiwiSaver scheme rendered it redundant depended on its aims.

    "If the aim is to increase the supply of housing because we're not building fast enough and that's contributing to the affordability programme, then Phil Twyford's modus operandi to date of walking down the street, finding a house that's already being built, and slapping a KiwiBuild sticker on is patently stupid and nothing more than window dressing," he said.

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    All seems a bit strange

    I think 'procedural' is a rather lame excuse that the Raymond Huo-chaired Justice Committe of Parliament refuses to allow Anne-Marie Brady to testify to their inquiry on potential foreign interference in our elections

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    Default Pretty much on point --COL ..time for another working group on how to run a country

    It is clear that the Prime Minister's popularity, and that of her Government, has nothing to do with policy or her much heralded "year of delivery". Arden is a symbol of something more ethereal.

    While Robertson keeps promising transformation, there is no obvious demand for it by voters, and change brings only political risk.

    After 18 months of almost complete failure by the Government on everything from Kiwibuild and child poverty to the relationship with China, it is clear that, for many of her supporters, it doesn't matter what Ardern does, it is enough that she is.

    Labour's best strategy is therefore to clear the decks of anything remotely controversial.

    New Zealand voters might like their leaders talking about knowledge waves, step changes or economic transformation but they don't want the disruption those things might cause.

    Like John Key on steroids, Ardern is well advised to keep well away from anything difficult and, for the next 18 months, just smile and wave.

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