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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Silver lining to this dark cloud.
    A coal black lining maybe.

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    Huge subsidies to businesses, rent freezes and all sorts of things ....but the good old minimum wage must go up.
    “Just consider that maybe the probability of you being wrong is higher than you think.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Huge subsidies to businesses, rent freezes and all sorts of things ....but the good old minimum wage must go up.
    Yes, it is an example of the politics in this. A sop to their voters.

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    Gordon Campbell on the economic stimulus package


    Lots of info here and well worth reading ..[/QUOTENational leader Simon Bridges has reverted to his party’s time-honoured beneficiary-bashing tradition by ranting about how the stimulus package was putting beneficiaries ahead of workers. Bluntly, what we see in this package today is money flowing faster into the hands of beneficiaries than the workers and the businesses that will lose their businesses and their jobs over the coming weeks and months.”
    Really? How can that be when the $5.1 billion being directly allocated ASAP to businesses and to workers in wage subsidies, is more than double the relief that’s being allocated to beneficiaries? Moreover, those on welfare are getting $25 a week while the stimulus package is also giving businesses $2.8 billion of relief in tax changes to help improve their cash flow? The beneficiary numbers, Bridges seems unable to grasp, are shortly going to be swelled significantly by the people who are about to lose their jobs – regardless of what this or any other government tries to do about the coronavirus. Clearly, if Bridges was the PM, the neediest would be being left behind.

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    Gordon Campbell on the economic stimulus package


    Lots of info here and well worth reading ..[/QUOTE[FONT="]National leader Simon Bridges has reverted to his party’s time-honoured beneficiary-bashing tradition [/FONT]by ranting about how the stimulus package was putting beneficiaries ahead of workers. [FONT="]Bluntly, what we see in this package today is money flowing faster into the hands of beneficiaries than the workers and the businesses that will lose their businesses and their jobs over the coming weeks and months.”[/FONT]
    Really? How can that be when the $5.1 billion being directly allocated ASAP to businesses and to workers in wage subsidies, is more than double the relief that’s being allocated to beneficiaries? Moreover, those on welfare are getting $25 a week while the stimulus package is also giving businesses $2.8 billion of relief in tax changes to help improve their cash flow? The beneficiary numbers, Bridges seems unable to grasp, are shortly going to be swelled significantly by the people who are about to lose their jobs – regardless of what this or any other government tries to do about the coronavirus. Clearly, if Bridges was the PM, the neediest would be being left behind.

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    Yes JT...but if you or Mr Campbell actually realised that the beneficiiaries hadn't had a pay cut or loss of revenue you would realise Mr Bridges had a point. Remembering of course that it is business and those employed who provide the tax that enables the benefits to be paid in the first place.

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    This blatant politicking and vote buying is very disappointing during this crisis. 100,000 packages of food and clothes for Maori only and Kaumatua getting a preferential access to tests, when younger people should get preference. I wonder if they also put a note in the parcels when delivered in Northland with a photo of Nieve and a message from Jacinda for them to vote for Shane Jones so she has a chance of getting back in. https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion...ovid-outbreak/

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoploss View Post

    Clark apologies to Ardern

    Good man . I can understand him wanting to take a break from what must one of the most stressful and demanding times for the folks in Govt ever ,so justifying his stress reliever but he has fessed up it wa s wrong. I justified launching a canoe ( no body around to self distance from)in shallow water close to the shore so i could self rescue but i realised that its just not being a good example and stopped. Theres a few on here who have justified their long runs out of their hoods,and wont stop despite being pulled up about it..Muppets?

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    Come on, Jt! This is a cabinet minister - indeed the Minister of Health! - that's setting this example to all of how to bend the rules! Not good enough!


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    Quote Originally Posted by macduffy View Post
    Come on, Jt! This is a cabinet minister - indeed the Minister of Health! - that's setting this example to all of how to bend the rules! Not good enough!

    He hardly bent the rules. Short drive and easy off road bike ride. All within 'common sense' guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    He hardly bent the rules. Short drive and easy off road bike ride. All within 'common sense' guidelines.
    Agreed.
    His mistake isn't what he did - it's how it looked.
    Get over it people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macduffy View Post
    Come on, Jt! This is a cabinet minister - indeed the Minister of Health! - that's setting this example to all of how to bend the rules! Not good enough!

    Jacinda missed the opportunity to sack him ...he’s been inept from the day he was appointed and his press conferences in the early stages of the virus thing were a disaster ....so bad he was sent home and essentially told to shut up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Jacinda missed the opportunity to sack him ...he’s been inept from the day he was appointed and his press conferences in the early stages of the virus thing were a disaster ....so bad he was sent home and essentially told to shut up.
    Then what? There's a fairly shallow talent pool to fish in. The next in line would probably be David Parker. Clark is a far better bet in every way possible. The sacking opportunities she missed were Twyford and Lees Galloway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Huge subsidies to businesses, rent freezes and all sorts of things ....but the good old minimum wage must go up.
    The "Huge Subsidies to Businesses" are really Huge Subsidies which will Businesses have been instructed to place 100% of what comes in, into the the hands of Employees. Meanwhile ACC, HP and other Costs continue to accrue

    Aside from Loan guarantees, the Business Sector has to date seen SFA from Govt while being left with effects of substantially reduced if not NIL Turnover, and all the other costs over & above any subsidy for staff.

    If the Govt really values the Business Sector that produces the goodies & means for keeping the Economy going and jobs, then they need to wake up fast IMO ; rather than spouting feel good words with plenty of smiles, whilst leaving the Sector wearing the costs & consequences of Govt's so far inadequate & too late measures before the total close down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Agreed.
    His mistake isn't what he did - it's how it looked.
    Get over it people.
    The rules are you are not allowed to drive to exercise , should be sacked for being lazy ....mountain bike park was only 2.3 K away ...
    "One form of exercise a day either alone or with people you live with only. This might include running, walking or cycling. You should not drive to get to the place you are planning to exercise."

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