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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    Labour have explained exactly why they went with the option they did. They were well aware they had the numbers, if as you have said above, Mallard voted for himself. Like you, they felt that would not be a “good look.”

    They made a calculated decision based on that. Whether you believe that, or agree with it is irrelevant. You guys, like National, appear to be determined to jump on every move this government makes. Give them a bloody chance! Geez.

    By the way, am I the only female in these forums? WAY too much “old boys club” testosterone in here.
    Quite right. Contact the Greens or Labour for advice on achieving gender balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    Give them a bloody chance! Geez.
    But we have been continuously told how fantastically clever they are and how useless National has been so to stuff up, which they actually did, was always going to get comments. Expect another two and a half years of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    Labour have explained exactly why they went with the option they did. They were well aware they had the numbers, if as you have said above, Mallard voted for himself. Like you, they felt that would not be a “good look.”

    They made a calculated decision based on that. Whether you believe that, or agree with it is irrelevant. You guys, like National, appear to be determined to jump on every move this government makes. Give them a bloody chance! Geez.

    By the way, am I the only female in these forums? WAY too much “old boys club” testosterone in here.
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    Thats their spin - but check out pictures of Chris Hipkins in Parliament today. Please excuse the testosterone but he looks like he is fair sh1tting himself over this.



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    Chris Hipkins stuffed up, simple. It's not a matter of gender or testosterone bias here. He could have added up the numbers and figured out that with a whole bunch of members not in attendance that the vote for Speaker of the House would have been compromised. A simple but profound balls up.

    Lets' not shift the blame to simple commentary on this website, or whether we're male, female, Labour, National or anything in between, we have nothing to do with it. Labour screwed up on their first outing, plain and simple. It'll be three years of misery if they can't get the basics right from the outset. This is a poor beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    Chris Hipkins stuffed up, simple. It's not a matter of gender or testosterone bias here. He could have added up the numbers and figured out that with a whole bunch of members not in attendance that the vote for Speaker of the House would have been compromised. A simple but profound balls up.

    Lets' not shift the blame to simple commentary on this website, or whether we're male, female, Labour, National or anything in between, we have nothing to do with it. Labour screwed up on their first outing, plain and simple. It'll be three years of misery if they can't get the basics right from the outset. This is a poor beginning.
    If I run my small business the way these clowns operate, I'd have been down and out 27 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by couta1 View Post
    If I run my small business the way these clowns operate, I'd have been down and out 27 years ago.
    This is a good summary imo ... https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...day-farce-fast

    "red-faced-government-needs-to-bury-first-day-farce-fast"

    Labour have a long road to hoe ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    Actually the government did have the numbers, which makes it more embarrassing. They will learn from their mistake though. Mr Bridges was clever.

    Mr Peters is in the air, travelling to Vietnam, it appears.
    He only just had time to serve papers on news reporters and an editor to reveal their sources, before he took off How low can the Deputy PM go and we´re only in week one !
    It seems fogotten that he cheated out more money from the Government in superannuation payments than he was entitled to. That´s what the news should be about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    He only just had time to serve papers on news reporters and an editor to reveal their sources, before he took off How low can the Deputy PM go and we´re only in week one !
    It seems fogotten that he cheated out more money from the Government in superannuation payments than he was entitled to. That´s what the news should be about.
    Of course it should. Surely there's a journalist or two following this up - he can't have terrorised every single one of them!

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    So now it is clear Winston held NZ to ransom for 3 weeks or so while "negotiating" in bad faith with National, after having secretly signed papers to sue them ! The only reason for his "negotiations" was to extract as much as possible from the inexperienced Jacinda/Labour in which he was very successful. I think Winston is going totally nuts. I can´t wait to hear more about what Tim Murphy mentions in the link below, about suspicion of some type of deal between Winston and Cameron Slater berfore the elections.

    There will be a fair amount of sweat breaking out in Labour´s ranks right now when they realise the real Winston Peters and his never ending agendas and personal vendettas. He is a fraudster who cheated the Government for 7 years !

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/11/0...n-goes-fishing
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    What would have been even more extraordinary was if the missing National MP had been present in the House and there had been a confidence vote called?

    Given the shambles yesterday if one or two of the coalition MPs or a Greens MP hadn’t been in the right place at the appropriate time (for whatever reason), Ms Ardern could have been rolled by a confidence vote on Day 1 of Parliament sitting... rookie errors by Hipkins and he genuinely looked to be panicking, Robertson clearly concerned and competence to run the House was questioned.

    The Coalition Whips failed to complete
    Job 1 - have enough members in the House and were way too complacent.

    Ardern will be asking herself what in hell happened and why her first sitting day in Parliament wasn’t the headline - although Winston’s stunt serving discovery also ensured her first day wasn’t the top story on the news websites.

    Her mentor didn’t suffer fools so expect Hipkins and the Whips to be on notice - the capitulation on the select committee numbers will ensure opposition to have ample opportunity to score points. A strong opposition is crucial to hold the executive and government to account, National’s message will be that the coalition can’t manage the process and if legislative programme is slowed then it’s because the coalition is flawed. The flip side is they don’t want to be as negative or ideologically blinkered as Tony Abbott

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