Labour / NZ First Government

[winner69]

Our man Phil on the ball again when talking to Epsom people - "If you don't want to have affordable housing or quality density housing in your neighbourhood, you go and live in Pokeno or Dairy Flat."

Is Pokeno a nice place?

[Joshuatree]

Does anyone here truly begrudge teachers and nurses pay rise.? If so you are miserable excuse for a human being imo.

[artemis]

Does anyone here truly begrudge teachers and nurses pay rise.? If so you are miserable excuse for a human being imo.

It depends. On whether people think certain professions should get more pay because of? What? Inflation? CPI? Feelz? Or because they are paid by the taxpayer who can afford to pay?

[elZorro]

Prof Peter Gluckman has been kept on as the govt's chief science advisor, and the recent report on the negligible effect of smoked meth residue in houses is going to help the homeless situation.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...t-report-finds

Go to any state house area around NZ and there are empty houses, sometimes just one small house with no garage, on a full quarter acre section. While some are being infilled, others turned into about four units over two sections, there is plenty of scope here without having to bring new services to the boundary.

If you are delivering little 'messages of hope' (Labour pamphlets!) to such streets, you can't help noticing unattended letterboxes, unattended everything. Having these empty houses here is not a good thing, it can't be helping.

[jonu]

Does anyone here truly begrudge teachers and nurses pay rise.? If so you are miserable excuse for a human being imo.

Apparently Labour does

[BlackPeter]

Does anyone here truly begrudge teachers and nurses pay rise.? If so you are miserable excuse for a human being imo.

Generalizations are always wrong. No doubt there are teachers and nurses who are worth more than they are paid. No doubt, there are others who are already now overvalued. I do know examples for both categories and I am sure so do you.

Rising all salaries in a profession however is brain dead. Nurses want to earn as much as teachers now. Teachers want to get a 2 digit pay rise. No doubt nurses will want to catch up with that as well. No doubt bus drivers and policemen feel underpaid as well (particularly if nurses and teachers get their pay rise). No doubt our council workers all earn a pay rise and so do all people working in retail and in the industry. And don't forget hospitality staff - doing very important work and getting paid peanuts. They need to be paid properly for their important work (no kidding). What about all the other service industries and what about farmers?

Just guess how we will end up? A big pay rise for everybody. If not - whom do you intend to pay less? Never mind that somebody will need to pay for all these additional dollars paid out - Goods and taxes will go up in step. Nobody will have more at the end, it is just that more (nominal) dollars will buy less.

Never mind - lets try it again - shall we?

They call that inflation. Great policy!

[Joshuatree]

Been 10 years for nurses and what 16 years for teachers since they've had decent increases. I think the majority of folks support them(re 65% in an informal poll i saw recently for teachers), essential workers undervalued for too long, fact.

[minimoke]

Been 10 years for nurses and what 16 years for teachers since they've had decent increases. I think the majority of folks support them(re 65% in an informal poll i saw recently for teachers), essential workers undervalued for too long, fact.

Undervalued? isnt value measured by what an amount a willing employer is prepared to pay against an amount a willing worker ir prepared to receive.

[minimoke]

Nurses want to earn as much as teachers now. !

Simple solution. If nurses want to earn as much as teachers then they should become teachers.

[fungus pudding]

Generalizations are always wrong. No doubt there are teachers and nurses who are worth more than they are paid. No doubt, there are others who are already now overvalued. I do know examples for both categories and I am sure so do you.

Rising all salaries in a profession however is brain dead. Nurses want to earn as much as teachers now. Teachers want to get a 2 digit pay rise. No doubt nurses will want to catch up with that as well. No doubt bus drivers and policemen feel underpaid as well (particularly if nurses and teachers get their pay rise). No doubt our council workers all earn a pay rise and so do all people working in retail and in the industry. And don't forget hospitality staff - doing very important work and getting paid peanuts. They need to be paid properly for their important work (no kidding). What about all the other service industries and what about farmers?

Just guess how we will end up? A big pay rise for everybody. If not - whom do you intend to pay less? Never mind that somebody will need to pay for all these additional dollars paid out - Goods and taxes will go up in step. Nobody will have more at the end, it is just that more (nominal) dollars will buy less.

Never mind - lets try it again - shall we?

They call that inflation. Great policy!

Yeah - reminiscent of the sixties and seventies. Hyperinflation, vicious unions, stikes, strikes, strikes. A horrible time in our history. Let's hope we don't see a return of those times, but with some of the noises coming out of Labour I'm not holding out too much hope.