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    Paddles is dead ...RIP Paddles

    No wonder Jacinda looked a bit sad yesterday
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Paddles is dead ...RIP Paddles

    No wonder Jacinda looked a bit sad yesterday
    I think the sadness was due to the dawning reality that the whip (a very important position) was incompetent. And if that is teh cream on top then its a worry about what has settled underneath.

    That and realising Winston has gone off reservation with his legal stuff BEFORE the election!

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    I think the sadness was due to the dawning reality that the whip (a very important position) was incompetent. And if that is teh cream on top then its a worry about what has settled underneath.
    Paddles would have loved that cream.

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    Does that mean that to hold this nation to ransom all you have to do is kidnap the PM's cat?

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    It means national is doing what it said"making the govt's life hell".Meaning we don't give a stuff about our country or its people, we will do anything below the bar like we did in the election, to regain power, divide to rule, transparent and clear , not good for NZ.It will backfire on them next election .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    It means national is doing what it said"making the govt's life hell".Meaning we don't give a stuff about our country or its people, we will do anything below the bar like we did in the election, to regain power, divide to rule, transparent and clear , not good for NZ.It will backfire on them next election .
    No - they are doing what an effective opposition does. It keeps govt on its toes. That is the Opposition's job.

    People wouldn't know this because we haven't seen it in the past 9 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    It means national is doing what it said"making the govt's life hell".Meaning we don't give a stuff about our country or its people, we will do anything below the bar like we did in the election, to regain power, divide to rule, transparent and clear , not good for NZ.It will backfire on them next election .
    We will have to disagree.

    Chris Hipkins reportedly didn't return any of the phone calls made by National that were made about the number of select committee members - it was clearly a bone of contention for the National Party (they said as much in a number of news reports) and in the aftermath, the spin and PR coming out of the Labour Party that they were going to concede on the numbers doesn't pass the sniff test. It was arrogant and complacent not to engage with the opposition on this point - and with several members being away on the first sitting day, as the Chief Whip Hipkins should have known the numbers in the House - he should have at least known that David Parker and Winston Peters were at APEC and that 3 other MPs would not be present to alert him of the risk (and if required, requested a 'pair' well before the first day of the house or ensured one of the missing MPs ensured they were in the House) - as I mentioned previously, this is the main job of a whip. You could say that he isn't responsible for the Green or NZ First MPs but he is because he's the Labour Led Government's Chief Whip.

    The concession on the select committee members potentially does have several implications - all of the National MPs will be on a select committee but more importantly as the the party with the most votes the relevant Minister will need to be present at several committees to vote as the coalition won't have majorities unless they are there, this give the opportunity for opposition MPs at Select Committee to ask questions about the Coalition's performance and have the relevant Minister(s) present. That will put the spotlight on portfolios where the Minister will have to stay informed and be held to account - and not hide away from the select committee process as this is the engine room of Parliament.

    The other main area that the National Party will be able to hold the Labour led Government to account is question time - the questions are divvy'ed up between the parties based on the non-executive members (Ministers) of the House. National has the most MPs in the House and none of them are by definition in the Executive, NZFirst has many executive members and few non executive members and the Greens have two executive members and 5 non executive members and Labour has the second biggest number of MPs but a lot of executive members. At last tally, of the 14 allocated questions in question time, I think National has 9 questions per sitting day to hold the coalition to account on a range of issues - they are also a single party, relatively disciplined, well resourced and have the benefit of many of their MPs probably having a far deeper knowledge of the portfolios than the coalition ministers.

    Again if National slips into the trap of being like the US Republicans and blocking everything that won't bode well nor will being as negative as Tony Abbott was as this trapped him in Government - but if they pick away at the under performance of ministerial portfolios, question policy and costings and ask the right questions, remain organised and make concessions around policies (e.g. agreeing to the 26 weeks parental leave) so that aren't seen as ideologists then that is the people are well served by a strong opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    No - they are doing what an effective opposition does. It keeps govt on its toes. That is the Opposition's job.

    People wouldn't know this because we haven't seen it in the past 9 years.
    Winston won't be pleased with this. He'll be wary about going away again and leaving Jacinda in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    It means national is doing what it said"making the govt's life hell".Meaning we don't give a stuff about our country or its people, we will do anything below the bar like we did in the election, to regain power, divide to rule, transparent and clear , not good for NZ.It will backfire on them next election .
    Effective opposition is healthy. Negative disruptive divisive , spiteful even isn't and kiwis will see this pre election and post election behaviour below the bar for what it is, untrustworthy(labour and nat had an agreement about the speaker) divisive and power hungry above all else, destructive and ultimately self destructive. Thats prob a good thing because they do need to renew and refresh with members who will put their country ahead of themselves, not this largely corrupted and addicted by power and self importance party imo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rep View Post
    We will have to disagree.

    Chris Hipkins reportedly didn't return any of the phone calls made by National that were made about the number of select committee members - it was clearly a bone of contention for the National Party (they said as much in a number of news reports) and in the aftermath, the spin and PR coming out of the Labour Party that they were going to concede on the numbers doesn't pass the sniff test. It was arrogant and complacent not to engage with the opposition on this point - and with several members being away on the first sitting day, as the Chief Whip Hipkins should have known the numbers in the House - he should have at least known that David Parker and Winston Peters were at APEC and that 3 other MPs would not be present to alert him of the risk (and if required, requested a 'pair' well before the first day of the house or ensured one of the missing MPs ensured they were in the House) - as I mentioned previously, this is the main job of a whip. You could say that he isn't responsible for the Green or NZ First MPs but he is because he's the Labour Led Government's Chief Whip.

    The concession on the select committee members potentially does have several implications - all of the National MPs will be on a select committee but more importantly as the the party with the most votes the relevant Minister will need to be present at several committees to vote as the coalition won't have majorities unless they are there, this give the opportunity for opposition MPs at Select Committee to ask questions about the Coalition's performance and have the relevant Minister(s) present. That will put the spotlight on portfolios where the Minister will have to stay informed and be held to account - and not hide away from the select committee process as this is the engine room of Parliament.

    The other main area that the National Party will be able to hold the Labour led Government to account is question time - the questions are divvy'ed up between the parties based on the non-executive members (Ministers) of the House. National has the most MPs in the House and none of them are by definition in the Executive, NZFirst has many executive members and few non executive members and the Greens have two executive members and 5 non executive members and Labour has the second biggest number of MPs but a lot of executive members. At last tally, of the 14 allocated questions in question time, I think National has 9 questions per sitting day to hold the coalition to account on a range of issues - they are also a single party, relatively disciplined, well resourced and have the benefit of many of their MPs probably having a far deeper knowledge of the portfolios than the coalition ministers.

    Again if National slips into the trap of being like the US Republicans and blocking everything that won't bode well nor will being as negative as Tony Abbott was as this trapped him in Government - but if they pick away at the under performance of ministerial portfolios, question policy and costings and ask the right questions, remain organised and make concessions around policies (e.g. agreeing to the 26 weeks parental leave) so that aren't seen as ideologists then that is the people are well served by a strong opposition.
    A great and accurate post. Labour peed of National by their undemocratic decision to reduce number of selct committee seats witout any consultation and silly Hipkins not taking their calls to disucss their concerns. They got him back quick smart. Josjuatree you should read tthe post above, again if you have to.
    Hipkins is inexperienced as could be seen by this fiasco and his statement the other day that his Government wanted to see what they can do to "square off" people living overseas with student loans. That amounts to Government saying don´t worry about continuing to pay your debt to the country. Incredibly naive.

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