Labour / NZ First Government

[winner69]

Good ole Jacinda ....looks like she going to get TPP across the line......on her terms. She still saying 50/50 but obviously playing the under promise over delivery game.

I now regret going on marchs protesting against this abhorrent (as it was then) trade agreement. Stupid and foolish wasn’t I

[iceman]

Interesting take on the free tertiary education policy https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/edu...equality-worse

[minimoke]

Interesting take on the free tertiary education policy https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/edu...equality-worse

This was patently a failed attempt by Labour to woe the young constituency in an attempt to buy their vote. On that front it was a failure as youth did not turn out to the elections as expected. There was no youthquake of new engaged young voters flocking to Labour.

This is now going to end up an expensive GAP year funding for those with not much inclination to do anything except drink and lay around. And of course it supports the wealthy - it means they do not have to fund that first year - instant return on taxes which I like to see. Other than a GAP year party the "poor" wont benefit as they wont be able to afford years 2 and three. And year 4 because they flunked year 3.

It will alo certainly make education harder. At the moment first years are arguably motivated to be there to study. Now those some classes will be loaded with loafers who will not focus on learning.

A much more sensible policy would be to make final year free - to incentivise people to finish. Also ought to be targeted to skills shortage.

[Baa_Baa]

This was patently a failed attempt by Labour to woe the young constituency in an attempt to buy their vote. On that front it was a failure as youth did not turn out to the elections as expected. There was no youthquake of new engaged young voters flocking to Labour.

Are you sure about that? http://www.elections.org.nz/research...ics-electorate This says youth voters are by far the largest increase of enrolments over all age groups. What's your source that says the youth vote were not the largest increase in voters in the 2017 elections? Maybe you'll say enrolment <=> voting. Fair enough. But try and find something that backs up your claims that Labour did not tap into the youth vote, other than supposition.

[minimoke]

Oh dear. The hip young prime minister of canada is not on the same page as the hip young prime minister of NZ. Seems ttp is dead in the water.

[minimoke]

Are you sure about that? http://www.elections.org.nz/research...ics-electorate This says youth voters are by far the largest increase of enrolments over all age groups. What's your source that says the youth vote were not the largest increase in voters in the 2017 elections? Maybe you'll say enrolment <=> voting. Fair enough. But try and find something that backs up your claims that Labour did not tap into the youth vote, other than supposition.

You'll have to wait until tomorrow but registered voters aged 18 - 24 were down this year compared with 2014.

Edit

338,269 in 2014. 332,594 in 2017. Source = same as yours. No supposition there that Labour failed to fire up the youth vote. Just simple facts.

[minimoke]

How are Labour getting on bring those Manus Island illegal immigrants to NZ. Is it too early to call that a "fail" or is it still a work in progress?

[winner69]

I Be referee in baa_baa and mini discussion re 18-24 year old voters

Enrolments 2014 338,269 and in 2017 333,164 - so enrolled numbers down

Those that voted 2014 212,204 and in 2017 230,783 - so more voted this time

Turnout rate increased from 62.73% in 2014 to 69.27% in 2017

So less 18-24 year olds enrolled but more voted in 2017 than 2014


Source | same as linked above
No scientific definition of youthquake found so make no comment whether one happened.

[minimoke]

No scientific definition of youthquake found so make no comment whether one happened.

Thankyou Mr Referee.
Youthqake can be described as an interested and energised demographic keen to vote for labour.
Conclusions " there was no "youth quake" of enrolments

There is no evidence that the additional youth voter turnout went to labour.
A compromise positon might be that each party secured the same portion of that youth vote as it did its whole vote.

Which of course means National secured more of the additional youth vote.

[iceman]

The new Government seems hellbent on turning our closest neighbour and biggest trading partner into a less than happy relation https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...tralia--greens

Not a good start and one would think the Government would have bigger fish to fry at the start. Buy obviously that does not include allowing parents to choose which one of them stays home to look after the newborns. Labour knows best https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...parental-leave

Sounds familiar ?