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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    You were advising REFOCUS and NOT TO WAIT FOR A PLAN. What you have written has nothing to do with refocus and making a plan.


    Talking to the bank and landlord? You can be sure that the conversations were had.
    They wanted to accomodate people given we were staring down another depression at the time, you may have missed the sales pitch for the special accomodations they were making. Yes they would have made concenssions but not to everyone.

    The cash splash to business would not really be of help due to its shoddy criteria and not be used "on the right things" as it were.

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    Wow. I have always been open and willing to share details of my personal life with this forum, and now you use that info to have a dig at me? You are one really classy MF

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    Seriously, justakiwi, you are suffering from caravan fever - go for a walk and clear your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    They wanted to accomodate people given we were staring down another depression at the time, you may have missed the sales pitch for the special accomodations they were making. Yes they would have made concenssions but not to everyone.

    The cash splash to business would not really be of help due to its shoddy criteria and not be used "on the right things" as it were.
    Well, I think all the non-one-eyed posters on this forum can read what you have written and is writing.

    You can duck and dive for all you want but you wrote that two business people who lost their lives due to the lockdown and zero direct help from the government should refocus and do another plan, instead of waiting for help.

    Great help the government was - zero and you have nothing to offer after all but duck and dive to try and cover-up your repugnant denigration of two individuals who needed help but received none.
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    Cindy at her most cynical - a two tier welfare system to buy votes ahead of the election. She has learnt well from Aunty Helen.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-in...lfare-payments

    It is also impossible not to speculate that this is a rather unsubtle way of shoring up support for the government in the months leading up to the election. For the newly unemployed, a higher benefit for the period ending 30 October fits nicely with the 19 September election date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Cindy at her most cynical - a two tier welfare system to buy votes ahead of the election. She has learnt well from Aunty Helen.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-in...lfare-payments

    It is also impossible not to speculate that this is a rather unsubtle way of shoring up support for the government in the months leading up to the election. For the newly unemployed, a higher benefit for the period ending 30 October fits nicely with the 19 September election date.
    The Cindy and Aunty Helen thing is a bit sexist and limp did you refer to English and Key as Uncle John and Uncle Bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim23 View Post
    The Cindy and Aunty Helen thing is a bit sexist and limp did you refer to English and Key as Uncle John and Uncle Bill?
    Pollies have been fair game on the nick name front for ever. I seem to remember Labourites calling John Key jonkey with great delight...Piggy Muldoon wasn't exactly kind....

    Cindy and Auntie Helen get off lightly IMHO. Cindy's sickening Comrade speech from 10 or so years ago should haunt her a lot more than it does. Not so much for its content but for the virtue signalling BS she learnt to trot out when it suited her from very early in her career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim23 View Post
    The Cindy and Aunty Helen thing is a bit sexist and limp did you refer to English and Key as Uncle John and Uncle Bill?
    No, but you must recall Marshall was Gentleman Jack, Holyoake was Kiwi Keith, Robt. Muldoon was Piggy Muldoon. Michael J Savage was Mickey. Most have had nick names - pretty harmless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    calling John Key jonkey
    I thought he was Shonkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    how do you propose the late Roy Green refocus and make his own plans when his butchery was locked down and he saw his livelihood destroyed, and his hard earned savings dissipating?
    It is bad taste really to be using an example like this but his business was stuffed before the lockdown and it was just the last straw rather than the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim23 View Post
    The Cindy and Aunty Helen thing is a bit sexist and limp did you refer to English and Key as Uncle John and Uncle Bill?
    And then there is pullya benefit etc etc. Cindy is totally fair game. Shonkey was a favourite of mine too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    It is bad taste really to be using an example like this but his business was stuffed before the lockdown and it was just the last straw rather than the reason.
    Be that as it may, the last straw need not be so heavy and heartless as yo break the camel’s back.

    Talking and discussing child and spouse abuse used to be distasteful too - interfering with a family’s affairs, remember?

    How do you know his business was stuffed? There are successful Mad Butcher stores still operating around the country, just like there are successful $1 stores still operating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    And then there is pullya benefit etc etc. Cindy is totally fair game. Shonkey was a favourite of mine too.
    The Labourites cannot handle anything which remotely mocks (appropriately) their beloved cannot do any wrong leader. Ok though for them to dish out BS by the tonnes on NZers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Be that as it may, the last straw need not be so heavy and heartless as yo break the camel’s back.

    Talking and discussing child and spouse abuse used to be distasteful too - interfering with a family’s affairs, remember?

    How do you know his business was stuffed? There are successful Mad Butcher stores still operating around the country, just like there are successful $1 stores still operating.
    Propping up a business that would fail anyway is not good use of tax payers money.
    You hold out a failing business as the prime example of the Govts failing - not a good example really.

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    Unbalanced




    Cant wait for your next crocodile tear political rant minus moral compass episode about departed people.

    Blind spot evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Propping up a business that would fail anyway is not good use of tax payers money.
    You hold out a failing business as the prime example of the Govts failing - not a good example really.
    Again, where do you get the idea that the business was failing?

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    This is a completely different thing. Those of us telling you it is disrespectful to continually bring it up, are not doing so to “sweep it under the carpet” - a term you keep repeating. Nobody is pretending it didn’t happen or that the current COVID situation may have had an impact on his unfortunate decision.

    We are telling you that using his death as an example to boost your arguments, is exploitative, upsetting to anyone here who may have known him, and is completely unnecessary. You have made your point - over and over again. You do not need to use him as an example anymore. It does not help your argument and makes you look desperate. Not to mention unkind, unsympathetic and disrespectful.





    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Talking and discussing child and spouse abuse used to be distasteful too - interfering with a family’s affairs, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Again, where do you get the idea that the business was failing?
    I could just use your quote
    There are successful Mad Butcher stores still operating around the country, just like there are successful $1 stores still operating.
    So why was only this one store affected by covid-19?
    Could it be that there is a lot more to it than you know but you continue to milk it for what it is worth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    I thought he was Shonkey
    The Smiling Assassin

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    No, but you must recall Marshall was Gentleman Jack, Holyoake was Kiwi Keith, Robt. Muldoon was Piggy Muldoon. Michael J Savage was Mickey. Most have had nick names - pretty harmless.
    Fair point and old enough to recall too! I think the Aunty thing is a little different as it suggests they are matronly in their approach - maybe Clark but not Ardern,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim23 View Post
    The Smiling Assassin
    I think that was his nickname in finance circles - before politics.

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