Labour / NZ First Government

[Balance]

Given that the incident happened in Christchurch I figured you’d be smart enough to realise I probably meant the Christchurch Muslim community. My apologies for over-estimating your intelligence.

I get it. You despise Jacinda, everything she says or does. That’s your opinion which you are entitled to. I have no issue with you expressing your opinion, even though I completely disagree with it, but I do have an objection to your choice of vocabulary. Is there really any need to use words like “grubby?” You are simply lowering yourself to Trumpian level by resorting to those kinds of personal attacks.

Grubby is as the grubby one does.

Don’t swallow whole everything the grubby one and her PR team throws your way.

A female PM ignoring sexual assaults hoping that the issue will go away - how else would you describe that kind of behaviour?

[justakiwi]

Would you use a word like that to describe a male? I seriously doubt it.

[Balance]

Would you use a word like that to describe a male? I seriously doubt it.

I would be using a stronger word!

[justakiwi]

OK. Whatever.

By the way, just so you know. I am not a die hard party supporter. Never have been and never will. I vote for whichever party I believe will do the best for me and for the country as a whole. I voted Labour at the last election. I don’t agree with everything the government has done since they got in, but overall I am reasonably happy. When election time rolls around I will start afresh. I will consider all the options and will give my vote to the party that does the best job of convincing me they should run the country. At this point National has literally nothing to offer, and as long as Simon Bridges remains leader, nothing will change there.

So maybe, you would do well to redirect your anger to put pressure on your party to get their act together so they can put forward a convincing case for why they deserve our votes.

I would be using a stronger word!

[BlackPeter]

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So maybe, you would do well to redirect your anger to put pressure on your party to get their act together so they can put forward a convincing case for why they deserve our votes.

While I am not sure, whether balance can help you here ... I think this is an outstanding proposal.

I still remember the nine years of National and a pretty hapless Labour opposition, mainly busy with infighting.

While National is better in the last regard ... (no infighting), I haven't seen from them yet a good alternative of how to develop the country from here.

Pointing out the weaknesses of the current government (and there are plenty) is good and necessary, but this alone might not be enough to convince the electorate to remove the current government. People need to see a better path forward.

To be fair, though - Labour waited before the last election as well to the 12th hour before they pulled their ace ...

[Balance]

OK. Whatever.

By the way, just so you know. I am not a die hard party supporter. Never have been and never will. I vote for whichever party I believe will do the best for me and for the country as a whole. I voted Labour at the last election. I don’t agree with everything the government has done since they got in, but overall I am reasonably happy. When election time rolls around I will start afresh. I will consider all the options and will give my vote to the party that does the best job of convincing me they should run the country. At this point National has literally nothing to offer, and as long as Simon Bridges remains leader, nothing will change there.

So maybe, you would do well to redirect your anger to put pressure on your party to get their act together so they can put forward a convincing case for why they deserve our votes.

Sorry to disappoint you, justakiwi, but I have not voted National now for quite a number of elections - so there goes your argument/rebuttal down the dunny.

I think I get your problem - you think that Jacinda is this sweet and innocently pure politician who have to compromised as she has no choice. Hence, it's not fair to describe all her broken principles and promises as 'grubby' politics.

News for you - She is a POLITICIAN through and through - and more hypocritical than any in recent decades! And now you should review her properly with the benefit of the last 2 years and I challenge you to uphold your view that she is NOT GRUBBY.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...e-stretch.html

This is as GRUBBY as it gets - lying about not knowing about the sexual assaults when she was emailed by one of the complainants! Poor sweet innocent Jacinda - so let down by her aides. She did not care about the women in Iran being flogged and jailed for refusing to wear the hijab - so does she really care about her staff members perpetuating sexual violence?

[justakiwi]

Sorry to disappoint you, justakiwi, but I have not voted National now for quite a number of elections - so there goes your argument/rebuttal down the dunny.

That surprises me, but does not disappoint me.

I think I get your problem - you think that Jacinda is this sweet and innocently pure politician who have to compromised as she has no choice. Hence, it's not fair to describe all her broken principles and promises as 'grubby' politics.

Wrong. I don’t think Jacinda is “sweet and innocently pure” at all. I do think she has gumption and an ability to think outside the box - something we haven’t seen for some time. Sure, she/Labour have made mistakes and possibly even some not so good judgments/calls, but show me a party/government that hasn’t.

News for you - She is a POLITICIAN through and through - and more hypocritical than any in recent decades! And now you should review her properly with the benefit of the last 2 years and I challenge you to uphold your view that she is NOT GRUBBY.

I disagree that she is more hypocritical than any other politician in recent decades. But there is no point in trying to convince you otherwise when your mind is so clearly made up.

I have no issues with you calling her out on her broken promises. Just make them factual, rather than derogatory personal attacks. There is absolutely no need to resort to insults as you constantly do. As I said before, leave the nasty staff to Trump. You can get your message across perfectly well without it.

[Balance]

Wrong. I don’t think Jacinda is “sweet and innocently pure” at all. I do think she has gumption and an ability to think outside the box - something we haven’t seen for some time. Sure, she/Labour have made mistakes and possibly even some not so good judgments/calls, but show me a party/government that hasn’t.

Think outside the box?

Goodness gracious me - if ignoring sexual assaults allegations is thinking outside the box, then the grubby one has got that kind of thinking 'outside the box' alright!

So far all the thinking she has done is - what votes can I get from doing this? Before, it was - let's do this!

If pandering to NZF and keeping her sweet mouth shut while her coalition ministers ride roughshod over her is thinking 'outside the box', than she is definitely very good at it!

But hi, I have MMH shares and long may the grubby one pander to NZF! I it!

[artemis]

Think outside the box? Really? Nice person, probably, toeing the socialist party line. Until Mr Peters or the media get grumpy and then the party line gives way real fast, resulting in fluff and platitudes.

[macduffy]

The PM presents well but NZ First is dictating all the important lines. National should just be thankful that they dodged that particular bullet.