Labour / NZ First Government

[Joshuatree]

Lol are you on the juice already TGIF. Im about to go down and have a few beers but where im going its called HAPPY hour not Angostura BITTERs hour

[whatsup]

Teflon John, the slipperiest politician ever imo although i dont think he dumped on where he came from as much as Bennett has ,what an attack dog on lower socio economic folk. There are rumours about her own behaviour when on the benefit.

J Tree, Please tell ONE thing that John Key did that was wrong, when he decided to enter parliament and again when he was P M two senior members of the L P went over to New York where he worked for several years to try and dig up dirt and guess what, they could not find anyone who said a bad thing about him, they slipped back into N Z but did not tell their masters that there was nothing to report.


"The left is a lie "

[Joshuatree]

9 years of underfunding everything.Did the easy lower hung fruit thing and pumped immigration, never mind our hospitals etc not being funded to cope. Let alone the property crises and totally denying it! Sold off state owned assets, criminal. Had no care for families to have closure for their pike mine loved ones etc etc etc.Just a few off the top of my head.

"the left is a lie" thing really demonstrates that one can be brainwashed ala trump, say it 3 times and its true kinda thing. I'd remove that "mantra" to retain a little credibility re being your own person.

[artemis]

Any lessons for NZ from the UK landslide? Looks like blue collar workers eschewed their traditional party in numbers and decided against unfettered immigration from lower waged countries. And against being instructed on the acceptable banana shape and how sucky vacuum cleaners can be.(Yes I know the banana thing is a partial myth).

Immigration is an ongoing issue here of course, strong feelings on both sides. We are Ok on bananas and suction but we do have apple stickers to contend with.

What is interesting is how quickly traditional UK Labour voters deserted. Reminds me of the Greens who lost almost half of their MPs between 2014 and 2017, also mostly on a single issue.

No sign of that here, more a slow slide rather than a landslide.

[macduffy]

Two reasons, artemis. The electorate in general wanted Brexit done and traditional Labour supporters didn't like Corbyn's prevarication.

[jonu]

Any lessons for NZ from the UK landslide? Looks like blue collar workers eschewed their traditional party in numbers and decided against unfettered immigration from lower waged countries. And against being instructed on the acceptable banana shape and how sucky vacuum cleaners can be.(Yes I know the banana thing is a partial myth).

Immigration is an ongoing issue here of course, strong feelings on both sides. We are Ok on bananas and suction but we do have apple stickers to contend with.

What is interesting is how quickly traditional UK Labour voters deserted. Reminds me of the Greens who lost almost half of their MPs between 2014 and 2017, also mostly on a single issue.

No sign of that here, more a slow slide rather than a landslide.

I wonder if it has anything to do with populist causes attracting the working classes. Both the US and UK have right wing government with substantial worker support. Lefties world wide are so busy peering at everyone else's navel to examine if they meet their inclusive standards, that they have dropped the ball. Western society in general will pay for it either way. Worst case it goes either horribly to the right, or, end up in a Big Brother Socialist /Fascist mashup state. Not pretty either way.

[iceman]

I think Steven Joyce has been proven right, despite all the outcry from media and economists at the time, all of whom have been proven wrong https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opi...to-show-for-it

[winner69]

I think Steven Joyce has been proven right, despite all the outcry from media and economists at the time, all of whom have been proven wrong https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opi...to-show-for-it

Though many will say things like the cash is ‘Mostly going on maintenance of hospitals/schools and increased salaries that were left for nine years bro’

[iceman]

Though many will say things like the cash is ‘Mostly going on maintenance of hospitals/schools and increased salaries that were left for nine years bro’

And all the roading projects they cancelled, used the money for other stuff, and now announce them again (at least some of them) and will borrow to pay for them. Smart politics !!

[westerly]

I think Steven Joyce has been proven right, despite all the outcry from media and economists at the time, all of whom have been proven wrong https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opi...to-show-for-it

Of course he would say that, given he's the author.

westerly