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    Quote Originally Posted by nztx View Post
    That is the selective Businesses (allowed by Govt's selective reasoning) provided they are still standing after being basically ignored
    by an Incompetent Govt; that is past having been made an unpaid disbursement proxy medium for Govt's wages subsidies...
    nztx, no point debating with an obvious one-eyed Labourite with the same business credentials of Cindy’s government - as in None, zero, zilch.

    Heard an interview of Deborah Russell on radio this evening - she not only did not apologise for her dastardly & insulting comments on SMEs, she said Cindy did not reprimand her when they talked privately! Cindy told her to hang in there and she will be alright - reinforcing the hypocritical two-faces of Cindy.

    Same Cindy who tried to hoodwink NZers that the L4 extension is only 2 business days, when clearly it is 4 business days.

    This government cannot hide its disdain for businesses and those who prosper by working hard, taking risks and saving hard.
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    Grant Roberston said from the outset: "These measures will not save every business".
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    Did Labour leave 'affected individuals" without the ability to pay -

    their Rent
    their Phone bills
    their Power bills

    or ability to survive ?

    It all seems shortsighted on Labour's part - if they are expecting businesses to continue employing or bounce back
    in affected sectors - to continue employing ...

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    https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/04/...-consequences/

    Anyway, Labour will be history comes September according to Sir Bob Jones.

    No government can survive this coming economic winter of discontent of high unemployment, and business failures.

    As is often quoted :

    ‘Recession is when your neighbour loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours.’

    ‘Tolerable is when your neighbour loses his house. Intolerable is when you lose yours.’

    Simon Bridges if he is still leader of Opposition need not say anything but to just let the misery of despondency surface the economic incompetency & bankruptcy of Cindy’s government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/04/...-consequences/

    Anyway, Labour will be history comes September according to Sir Bob Jones.

    No government can survive this coming economic winter of discontent of high unemployment, and business failures.

    As is often quoted :

    ‘Recession is when your neighbour loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours.’

    ‘Tolerable is when your neighbour loses his house. Intolerable is when you lose yours.’

    Simon Bridges if he is still leader of Opposition need not say anything but to just let the misery of despondency surface the economic incompetency & bankruptcy of Cindy’s government.
    Much too much common sense from Bob ... Jacinda fan club will not understand economics ... as we keep getting told every day its all about saving COVID deaths that had we not locked down would be thousands ...

    which IMHO is FEAR driven very black n white .I'm sure a middle point could have been reached after 2 weeks of lockdown-4 where those fit healthy very low risk kiwis could chose to return to work under level-3

    then if no major outbreak from this down to level-2 by after this weekend..I'm sure economically this would have done far less damage mentally and economically ..
    Also many more food outlets should have been allowed to stay open if kept to strict guidelines --

    As we know NZ has one of the highest Suicide rates in the western world
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...rds-began?rm=m

    New Zealand has the highest death rate for teenagers and young people among 19 of the world's developed, wealthy countries........

    The study of 6000 children also found that a third said they were facing challenges in some aspects of their life, and one in 10 faced multiple challenges, including racism, discrimination, bullying, poverty, violence and drugs....

    has only got worse under Jacinda and team..

    Now we are looking at 20%+ unemployment ?? the effects will be far more damaging and effects felt for many years..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBmurc View Post
    Much too much common sense from Bob ... Jacinda fan club will not understand economics ... as we keep getting told every day its all about saving COVID deaths that had we not locked down would be thousands ...

    which IMHO is FEAR driven very black n white .I'm sure a middle point could have been reached after 2 weeks of lockdown-4 where those fit healthy very low risk kiwis could chose to return to work under level-3 then if no major outbreak from this down to level-2 by after this weekend..I'm sure economically this would have done far less damage mentally and economically ..

    As we know NZ has one of the highest Suicide rates in the western world
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...rds-began?rm=m

    New Zealand has the highest death rate for teenagers and young people among 19 of the world's developed, wealthy countries........

    The study of 6000 children also found that a third said they were facing challenges in some aspects of their life, and one in 10 faced multiple challenges, including racism, discrimination, bullying, poverty, violence and drugs....

    has only got worse under Jacinda and team..

    Now we are looking at 20%+ unemployment ?? the effects will be far more damaging and effects felt for years..
    The Swedish approach has given them more them around 180 deaths per million.
    Our approach has given 4 per million.
    On the face of that it's easy to assume the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
    This is the result to date, but hardly the end of the story. In years to come, when murders, suicides, heart attacks etc that can be attributed to this virus are calculated,the picture could change drastically. Then and only then will we start to know what the best approach would have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBmurc View Post
    Much too much common sense from Bob ... Jacinda fan club will not understand economics ... as we keep getting told every day its all about saving COVID deaths that had we not locked down would be thousands .

    Now we are looking at 20%+ unemployment ?? the effects will be far more damaging and effects felt for many years..
    Agreed.

    So expect Cindy & her bunch of incompetents to pour out the billions of dollars in social welfare benefits during July - September, just before the election.

    Will not help however as this government has ZERO appreciation that it's businesses which create jobs - not the social welfare beneficiaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    The Swedish approach has given them more them around 180 deaths per million.
    Our approach has given 4 per million.
    On the face of that it's easy to assume the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
    This is the result to date, but hardly the end of the story. In years to come, when murders, suicides, heart attacks etc that can be attributed to this virus are calculated,the picture could change drastically. Then and only then will we start to know what the best approach would have been.
    Yes I guess its all hindsight as the FEAR of DEATH was strong early on ...will be interesting to see stats on influenza deaths during this lockdown period..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Agreed.

    So expect Cindy & her bunch of incompetents to pour out the billions of dollars in social welfare benefits during July - September, just before the election.

    Will not help however as this government has ZERO appreciation that it's businesses which create jobs - not the social welfare beneficiaries.
    Yes I'm very worried how the COL will go about running NZ economically rest of the year(haven't showed much skills to date kiwibuild etc) ,,, Winnie+NZ first will go renegade to shore up votes won't help ...
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    Unbalanced doing the usual misinformation national beneficiary bashing, tired and no empathy(look it up in the dictionary), not forgetting the re multiple $billions maybe $50 billion eventually to help our country recover. Really happy with most of our ministers especially Robertson, a very steady pair of hands there.

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