Labour / NZ First Government

[jonu]

The (MS) media are complicit in this. They would be quite happy with our civil liberties being taken off us. I too worry about this erosion of privacy. Something our forefathers died for to preserve.

Careful blackcap...we'll be accused of fraternising. They might even check our phones. Worse yet...you might elicit another sigh from Vagabond47. I wonder what will become of Vagabonds once their every movement is tracked?

[Vagabond47]

The "spending" is a moveable feast that is largely being (so far) paid to Labour's voter base. The "temporary" restrictions on movement are likely to be eased once an app is available that can track your every movement. Our useless media's only question so far is "when will it be available?" not, will there be a built in expiry date....or what does this mean for our long term civil liberties?

The media lovefeast for Ardern and doting supporters are prepared to give up Civil Rights hard fought for over centuries without giving it a second thought.

Guess you don't know how apps work. You install them.. and when you're done with them, you uninstall them. Its pretty simple really, most 12yos can manage it.

And the spending so far has mostly gone to businesses, $8.7 billion on wage subsidies, $6.2b on targeted business finance relief package, Essential workers leave subsidy scheme (paid to businesses). Compared to $3b on benefit increase and support?

The only moveable feast is for the flies feasting on the bull**** coming from you as usual.

Nobody is giving up civil rights, we're temporarily sacrificing exercising them to try not to kill off a chunk of our population and avoid the fate that has befallen the "land of the free".. overflowing morgues,dead people everywhere.

Reality really doesn't get a look in with you does it?

[jonu]

Guess you don't know how apps work. You install them.. and when you're done with them, you uninstall them. Its pretty simple really, most 12yos can manage it.

And the spending so far has mostly gone to businesses, $8.7 billion on wage subsidies, $6.2b on targeted business finance relief package, Essential workers leave subsidy scheme (paid to businesses). Compared to $3b on benefit increase and support?

The only moveable feast is for the flies feasting on the bull**** coming from you as usual.

Nobody is giving up civil rights, we're temporarily sacrificing exercising them to try not to kill off a chunk of our population and avoid the fate that has befallen the "land of the free".. overflowing morgues,dead people everywhere.

Reality really doesn't get a look in with you does it?

I understand Apps perfectly well thank you. You would uninstall it unless it became impossible to purchase something without having to scan your phone first.

As for the understanding the govt spend...the bulk of the billions is designed to end up in the pockets of employees...Labour's voter base. You know... the wage subsidy bit!!!

I find the more reality I expose the more abusive the response. You fit the pattern.

[Vagabond47]

I don't think you've seen reality in a long time.. Perhaps loosen the tinfoil hat a bit, it might help get the blood flow back to your brain.

[jonu]

I don't think you've seen reality in a long time.. Perhaps loosen the tinfoil hat a bit, it might help get the blood flow back to your brain.

Pattern confirmed. You abandon supporting your argument very quickly to just hurling insults and abuse. Tends to signal a capitulation in the strength of your original stance IMHO

[Vagabond47]

Pattern confirmed. You abandon supporting your argument very quickly to just hurling insults and abuse. Tends to signal a capitulation in the strength of your original stance IMHO

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".the bulk of the billions is designed to end up in the pockets of employees...Labour's voter base ".

Really, all employees are labour voters? Then how the hell did national ever get into power, considering 80% of workers are employees? This is exactly what i mean by reality not intruding on your little bubble. I really can't be bothered engaging any further with someone that far off the planet. enjoy your afternoon of fighting against imagined boogie men named jacinda.

[Balance]

This is the very same David Clark who had time to go mountain biking and to his beach?

But he has no time to read a long awaited report on reforming the health system?

"...... it was wrong that everyone had to wait for Dr Clark, given the amount of effort and cost that had gone into the review".

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...nterest-report

"Health Minister David Clark’s decision not to receive the long-awaited final report of the $9.5million Heather Simpson-led review of the health and disability system "anytime in the near future" means the public cannot see what it contains either. Dr Clark’s only explanation for the delay is that he does not want any resources diverted from the Covid-19 response."

[ynot]

With major questions arising over Jacinda Ardern’s judgement in adopting the elimination strategy and imposing one of the strictest lockdowns in the world, the lack of scrutiny of her decision-making is disturbing.

Treasury has quantified the devastating cost to the economy of the PM’s extremist approach. As a result of four weeks of lockdown, unemployment is expected to rise from four per cent to 13.5 per cent – increasing the number of unemployed from 111,000 to 371,000. It’s anticipated that a further $20 billion in Government support will be needed to cushion the blow – in addition to the $25 billion already spent fighting the virus.

According to the OECD, the prime minister’s lockdown will result in New Zealand suffering one of the biggest declines in economic activity in the world

https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star...SdSdome_HnP_5A

Newman makes an interesting point. Should Simon have stood his ground and not agreed to dictatorship rule ?

[jonu]

This is the very same David Clark who had time to go mountain biking and to his beach?

But he has no time to read a long awaited report on reforming the health system?

"...... it was wrong that everyone had to wait for Dr Clark, given the amount of effort and cost that had gone into the review".

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...nterest-report

"Health Minister David Clark’s decision not to receive the long-awaited final report of the $9.5million Heather Simpson-led review of the health and disability system "anytime in the near future" means the public cannot see what it contains either. Dr Clark’s only explanation for the delay is that he does not want any resources diverted from the Covid-19 response."

The most open and transparent government ever....according to Cindy that is. Clark didn't get the memo apparently. Or maybe Cindy and Clark both know what's in the report. Oh gee...forgot to remove my tinhat for Vagabond47's peace of mind.

[fungus pudding]

The (MS) media are complicit in this. They would be quite happy with our civil liberties being taken off us. I too worry about this erosion of privacy. Something our forefathers died for to preserve.

No they didn't. That's a phrase often squawked by parrots, but it's nonsense.