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08-05-2020, 11:48 AM
#3851
Originally Posted by westerly
Get off your soapbox. National would have done less and talked about reducing taxes and ACT even less but still waffled on about reduced freedoms and lower taxes.
westerly
Why does National have to come into every discussion?
Can we as taxpayers and citizens of NZ not hold this government (or any government) to account?
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08-05-2020, 12:03 PM
#3852
Because those who are publicly anti-Labour/anti-Jacinda, frequently allude to the fact that they believe National would have done/would do so much better. Those people have very short memories. Hold the government to account by all means, but never forget the things National did not do well, and will do again should they be back in power in the future.
Originally Posted by Balance
Why does National have to come into every discussion?
Can we as taxpayers and citizens of NZ not hold this government (or any government) to account?
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08-05-2020, 12:29 PM
#3853
Originally Posted by justakiwi
Because those who are publicly anti-Labour/anti-Jacinda, frequently allude to the fact that they believe National would have done/would do so much better. Those people have very short memories. Hold the government to account by all means, but never forget the things National did not do well, and will do again should they be back in power in the future.
Fair enough but I do not see that as relevant in situations where the government of the day has made bad decisions.
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08-05-2020, 12:38 PM
#3854
Originally Posted by Balance
Why does National have to come into every discussion?
Can we as taxpayers and citizens of NZ not hold this government (or any government) to account?
Because there are so many Westerly types 'round these parts.
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08-05-2020, 01:29 PM
#3855
Originally Posted by justakiwi
Because those who are publicly anti-Labour/anti-Jacinda, frequently allude to the fact that they believe National would have done/would do so much better. Those people have very short memories. Hold the government to account by all means, but never forget the things National did not do well, and will do again should they be back in power in the future.
I have been a vocal critic of how this government has singularly failed in its housing policy - especially kiwibuild. The inexperienced and naive Phil Twyfool & his equally dumb advisors were taken to the cleaners by the developers.
So they changed the policy and it's now all housed under Kainga Ora.
Well, I have just examined a development project involving Kainga Ora and guess what? They are going to get taken to the cleaners by developers again! If we were in another country (say, 3rd world) I would venture to say that someone in the government is corrupted and getting back-handers!
And this is the problem with this government - stupid as stupid does. Too arrogant and too dumb at the same time to learn.
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08-05-2020, 01:44 PM
#3856
Originally Posted by Balance
Why does National have to come into every discussion?
Can we as taxpayers and citizens of NZ not hold this government (or any government) to account?
Because National is the alternative and quite a number of todays problems can be laid at the do nothing less tax policies of the previous administration.
westerly
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08-05-2020, 02:08 PM
#3857
Originally Posted by westerly
Because National is the alternative and quite a number of todays problems can be laid at the do nothing less tax policies of the previous administration.
westerly
The failure of this government to deliver on Kiwibuild, Capital Gains Tax and unlimited spending on Pike River - what has that got to do with National?
Labour was elected on its platform to deliver solutions - they had already laid the blame of everything that's wrong at National.
Now they must stand on fall on their own ability to deliver the solutions, surely!
Last edited by Balance; 08-05-2020 at 02:12 PM.
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08-05-2020, 02:44 PM
#3858
Name a party that has ever delivered everything they campaigned on/promised, or everything you wanted.
Didn’t think so.
Originally Posted by Balance
The failure of this government to deliver on Kiwibuild, Capital Gains Tax and unlimited spending on Pike River - what has that got to do with National?
Labour was elected on its platform to deliver solutions - they had already laid the blame of everything that's wrong at National.
Now they must stand on fall on their own ability to deliver the solutions, surely!
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08-05-2020, 02:48 PM
#3859
Im all good with Pike.Closure for families and hopefully accountability.
Kiwibuild, im thankful they tried but it turned out to be an impossible task. Reset, change regs, red tape etc as is happening now.
Cap gains , thank winston. It may be back on the table in future with covid changing everything.
Immigration. Who has restricted Overseas people buying and selling our houses etc etc. Who you gonna call .
Cleaner rivers no easy quick fix,just ask the farmers on the canterbury plains farming intensively on 80 metres of gravel, who encouraged allowed that, yes the N word again yep national and nitrogen. Elsewhere is easier and is happening incrementally.
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08-05-2020, 02:52 PM
#3860
Originally Posted by justakiwi
Name a party that has ever delivered everything they campaigned on/promised, or everything you wanted.
Two different things entirely. As far as delivering on promises - I don't think Muldoon, for all his weird ideas, ever failed to do what he promised. Pity.
Part two is silly - Even Santa can't satisfy that one.
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