Labour / NZ First Government

[Balance]

It wouldn't be possible to save all the jobs - international tourists are gone for a while so some business just won't survive.
If this Govt had initiated a lessor lockdown the same would have happened - the borders would still be shut.

You are going to be very busy posting all the job losses - they are expected and will happen. The alternative is that the Govt (us tax payers) support zombie business for at least the year to come.

Fair enough but in a time of crisis, the country needs direction - especially the vulnerable business sectors. They have got NONE from Cindy & her incompetents.

However 🤔

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...pport-homeless

Government has been extremely generous to beneficiaries however.

No expenses spared - whatever it takes.

Wonder why?🤔

[jonu]

Happily we in this country value the principles that keep our democracy stable and working. Comparing it to a Banana Republic and telling me I'm lucky doesn't cut it. Even seemingly benign governments will impose as much power over the individual as they can. To lazily give up Human Rights is a very dangerous thing to do.

The following story involves events pre-Covid! Imagine what they will feel emboldened to try now. Note the arrogance of the Police response...effectively, "Oh we tried it and didn't pursue it", neglecting completely that they weren't meant to be trying it in the first place.

This is the same Police force that turned a blind eye to illegal road checkpoints throughout the country.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12331487

[blackcap]

The following story involves events pre-Covid! Imagine what they will feel emboldened to try now. Note the arrogance of the Police response...effectively, "Oh we tried it and didn't pursue it", neglecting completely that they weren't meant to be trying it in the first place.

This is the same Police force that turned a blind eye to illegal road checkpoints throughout the country.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12331487

That is a real worry Jonu. It is interesting that the Greens, who would normally take a bullet than be the subject of GCSB or other surveillance, are very quiet at these times, especially with the new laws being pushed through Parliament giving the police more powers. Wonder why?

[dobby41]

Fair enough but in a time of crisis, the country needs direction - especially the vulnerable business sectors. They have got NONE from Cindy & her incompetents.

However ��

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...pport-homeless

Government has been extremely generous to beneficiaries however.

No expenses spared - whatever it takes.

Wonder why?��

You'd rather that they were on the streets?

[Balance]

You'd rather that they were on the streets?

Nope but there are far far far better alternatives than spending $1,400 per week!

Meanwhile, what about those whose businesses have been destroyed by the random reckless nature of the lockdown? Not one cent for them - they have to use up their savings or go into more debt.

[justakiwi]

Course he would. Having never walked in their/our (Shock! Horror! Yes, I have been a beneficiary in the past), he has no understanding of what it is like.

You'd rather that they were on the streets?

[dobby41]

Meanwhile, what about those whose businesses have been destroyed by the random reckless nature of the lockdown? Not one cent for them - they have to use up their savings or go into more debt.

The show isn't over there by any means.
It will be interesting to see what the budget brings.

[iceman]

Course he would. Having never walked in their/our (Shock! Horror! Yes, I have been a beneficiary in the past), he has no understanding of what it is like.

You should be careful making statements like this. I've met a few ST posters and they have come from all walks of life and worked very hard in many different paths, to get to where they are today, as I am sure you have.

[Balance]

Course he would. Having never walked in their/our (Shock! Horror! Yes, I have been a beneficiary in the past), he has no understanding of what it is like.

Please comment about the butcher who took his own life.

You have no idea what it is like to be in business - to take on risks, to work hard, look after employees and now, to see a government recklessly and randomly destroying businesses without offering any direct assistance.

Just like Cindy and her incompetents.

[justakiwi]

True, but nobody who has ever been a beneficiary in the past, would talk about them the way Balance does. Those of us who have been there don’t make blanket negative generalisations about beneficiaries as a group of people. We just don’t. So I make no apologies for my comment.

You should be careful making statements like this. I've met a few ST posters and they have come from all walks of life and worked very hard in many different paths, to get to where they are today, as I am sure you have.