Labour / NZ First Government

[Panda-NZ-]

Why? Basic economics.

Basic economics = businesses who can't survive four weeks even with unprecendented wage subsidy should fail.

[Balance]

Basic economics = businesses who can't survive 4 weeks even with unprecendented wage subsidy should fail.

You really have no idea about businesses & economics, do you?

I thought you would have learnt by now after your dumb comment that businesses were compensated for the lockdown by the wage subsidy!

You are sounding like Deborah Russell!

[justakiwi]

That answer is a cop out. You would say that even without the COVID situation. So come on - put your money where your mouth is and come up with a COVID situation specific solution to back up your continual criticism of what the government is currently doing.

You are all talk and bluster.

For starters, cut back on the payout to beneficiaries - they need to work and they cannot pick and choose where and how they work. There are jobs in the agricultural, building & construction, supermarket, manufacturing, infrastructure & horticultural sectors - why does NZ use migrant workers to do those jobs?

Think this government will stray into that area and risk their votes?

[Balance]

That answer is a cop out. You would say that even without the COVID situation. So come on - put your money where your mouth is and come up with a COVID situation specific solution to back up your continual criticism of what the government is currently doing.

You are all talk and bluster.

Nope - this is you with your prejudicial view at play.

Unusual desperate times require everyone to play their part, especially the beneficiaries.

What is wrong with requiring them to work for their welfare payments?

[Panda-NZ-]

Business need reliable workers and only the best, most skilled will do not the lowest end. And that's ok...there is not a position for everyone who happens to be U65 sorry to burst the bubble. So it's important to do welfare in the most efficient way possible which is a basic income and this will boost consumption too.

[Balance]

Business need reliable workers and only the best, most skilled will do not the lowest end. And that's ok...there is not a position for everyone who happens to be U65 sorry to burst the Newstalk bubble. So it's important to do welfare in the most efficient way possible which is a basic income and this will boost consumption too.

We are not talking highly skilled jobs here - but honest decent work like picking fruits, pruning fruit trees, stocking supermarket shelves during midnight, painting, car groomers, hotel cleaners etc.

Why are we using migrant workers for these jobs when those on benefits can be required to do those jobs? And if they don’t do them well intentionally, they get no payments

You haven’t answered the simple question though - why do you state that businesses have been compensated for the lockdown by the wage subsidy?

[artemis]

...There is only Team National and policies are to benefit all New Zealanders, not just the beneficiaries which St Cindy & her incompetents are hell bent on growing & cultivating for votes.

To be fair, more help for certain sectors is ingrained ideology for Labour, though I guess they need votes to be able to carry on implementing their plan. They certainly have money now to progress that plan.

Still Mr Robertson has said borrowing will be repaid through growing the economy. More and more on the sofa ain't going to cut it.

[Panda-NZ-]

Why are we using migrant workers for these jobs when those on benefits can be required to do those jobs? And if they don’t do them well intentionally, they get no payments

Same issue though. I'm sure recruiters will appreciate not being spammed with applications and employers having to manage these people and instead focus on their work using only highly talented people. For those who recieve the income micro-businesses and casual work becomes viable.

You haven’t answered the simple question though - why do you state that businesses have been compensated for the lockdown by the wage subsidy?

I answered this. The subsidy period = three months, lockdown = one month. Two extra months for nothing.

[artemis]

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I answered this. Subsidy period equals three months, lockdown equals one month. Two extra months for nothing.

Surely you can't possibly truly believe what you just said.

[Panda-NZ-]

Maybe nothing at all would be better since that is the market approach some have supported in the past but are flexible on that these days. We have it pretty good here