Labour / NZ First Government

[Balance]

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/6920...building-costs

2014 - Phil Twyfool articulating Labour’s promise of 100,000 new houses in 10 years.

2020 - less than 400 houses built after 2.75 years in office. Hell of an achievement!

So what were Labour & Twyfool doing between 2014 and 2020?

[artemis]

....So what were Labour & Twyfool doing between 2014 and 2020?

They were super busy consulting the 'experts' about where demand for Kiwibuild was going to be and developing detailed policy (just kidding). From the developments approved it would be reasonable to assume those 'experts' might have had a less than independent motive. And that motive might have been, hey let's persuade Labour that certain developments are going to be abfab, have to be balloted due to the overwhelming demand. (And, whisper quietly to their mates, no risk for you, taxpayer will underwrite.)

To be fair, there were 12 Kiwibuild homes sold in April (last data officially available), only 321 still available to buy. Though lots under construction - 777. It will take a while at that rate.

[artemis]

On Kiwibuild, worth noting that the official dashboard housing numbers are only a tiny part of the Kiwibuild story. There has been a huge number of parliamentary questions - written and oral - that give a lot more detail and a fair amount of spin. Ignore the spin and the detail is dramatically bad. For the taxpayer.

[dobby41]

They were super busy consulting the 'experts' about where demand for Kiwibuild was going to be and developing detailed policy (just kidding). From the developments approved it would be reasonable to assume those 'experts' might have had a less than independent motive. And that motive might have been, hey let's persuade Labour that certain developments are going to be abfab, have to be balloted due to the overwhelming demand. (And, whisper quietly to their mates, no risk for you, taxpayer will underwrite.)

To be fair, there were 12 Kiwibuild homes sold in April (last data officially available), only 321 still available to buy. Though lots under construction - 777. It will take a while at that rate.

They have been better at building state houses, which is where I think they should have concentrated in the first place after National sold off too many (by their own admission now).

[iceman]

They have been better at building state houses, which is where I think they should have concentrated in the first place after National sold off too many (by their own admission now).

Haha. Typical. When facts are pointed out to the supporters of the COL, you just change the subject. The truth hurts !

[dobby41]

Haha. Typical. When facts are pointed out to the supporters of the COL, you just change the subject. The truth hurts !

No, not at all. I was pointing out that, though Kiwi Build has been a failure (to put it kindly), they have a much better track record with social housing (adding to the narrative rather than deflecting).
When they came out with the 1000/yr target etc I knew it would never work for the most obvious reason - there aren't enough trades people (yes, I know that there are other reasons).
I have known the truth about KiwiBuild for a long time so, no, it doesn't hurt at all.

It is interesting that National now admit that they created a problem while in power - at the time they denied that there was a housing issue at all.

[RTM]

It is interesting that National now admit that they created a problem while in power - at the time they denied that there was a housing issue at all.

Yes.... it was interesting that they couldn’t seem to do pretty basic arithmetic.
How many people coming into the country.
How many leaving
How many houses being built.
...and of course where are those people going ?

[iceman]

Yes.... it was interesting that they couldn’t seem to do pretty basic arithmetic.
How many people coming into the country.
How many leaving
How many houses being built.
...and of course where are those people going ?

I think the mistake was more with immigration policy, rather than immigration numbers and housing per se.
I have never understood why we accept nearly all immigrants going into Auckland and turning the infrastructure (roading,housing,water) of that city into the complete mess/joke that it is now. It should be a condition for immigrants they go to parts of the country where their skills are needed and stay there for at least the first 5 years.

[Balance]

Government should be nervous about Judith Collins.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/...udith-collins/

Excerpt : "Yes, Judith Collins might be divisive. She might not be hugely personally popular with her colleagues. But Ben was spot on when he said Judith Collins as leader of the opposition will make the government more nervous than any other National MP."

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...-minister.html

And in only 24 hours, she has rocketed to 22.6% in popularity polls.

It is always good for NZ to have a strong Opposition and a proper election, whether National or Labour.

[tim23]

Can you be specific what poll was that? 53 v 47 was that 100 National party try hards?

Still waiting - wheres the poll?