Labour / NZ First Government

[jonu]

In the real world, Iceman, the layoffs and redundancies you have alerted & referred to have already started happening -

Employers (doing the right thing) by keeping staff on using the wage subsidy and doing the decent thing by topping up employees’ remuneration -

but post wage subsidy, having to lay staff off.

Start with The Warehouse (1,000+) and continue down the list to the latest AMI (100+).

Talk to business owners out there and most of them are having to cut staff numbers.

The wage subsidy was indeed simply staving off the inevitable.

Now, here's the crucial point per discussion about beneficiaries : if employers topping up employees’ remuneration = employers being beneficiaries, then we know where this country is heading with Comrade Cindy & her incompetents in charge.

Breeding beneficiaries - there’s no getting away with that basic principle of Labour’s economic strategy & policy.

Surely you aren't suggesting a worker's Utopia? Where everybody suckles at the breast of Mother State? What a wondrous idea! Just think how harmoniously we would all work together for the good of all! United in the common cause....a team of 5 million....a diverse rainbow of humanity toiling together. Rain those hammer blows....swing those sickles....

Oh wait....the 20th Century suggests otherwise.

[Balance]

Employers who claimed the wage subsidy are beneficiaries too aren't they?

Stunning admission from one of the resident Labourites of woke pixie dusted mentality :

If employers topping up employees’ remuneration = employers being beneficiaries, then we know where this country is heading with Comrade Cindy & her incompetents in charge.

[justakiwi]

As are many of the negatively labelled “beneficiaries” - but of course, the general judgemental public will never believe it, or give us any credit for working our arses off, trying to get a job. I am no longer in this category but I have been there, twice, and those here who are constantly beneficiary shaming (not you) literally have no clue.

It might really be different this time. The people losing their jobs have not been on the sofa for months or years. They are workers, and well used to and need an income greater than the dole, even the virus-dole. The former has partner income restrictions, the latter ends soon anyway.

They are going to be out there knocking on doors and applying for every job they can find.

Many of them will also be frustrated and angry.

[Balance]

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/economic-...ke-is-released

What happens when one of Comrade Cindy's incompetents is in charge - paralysis.

[Blue Skies]

I think John Key said something along the lines of there are no words to describe the economic carnage caused by this global Covid pandemic. Its 10 x bigger than the GFC.

So if you're looking for perfect solutions, you're not going to get them & most recognise that, hense the 82% approval rating for the govt despite the forecast unemployment level of 9.8% by Treasury or 10.5% by ANZ, by Sept of this year dropping back to 7 or 8% by 2021.

As has been acknowledged many times, some businesses will fail. There's not much anyone can do about foreign tourists while the pandemic rages outside of NZ.
Covid has caused huge disruption in other ways too.
The trend to Online shopping has been hugely accelerated, some say brought forward by as much as 5 years, & many businesses like The Warehouse are having to respond to that by closing retail stores.

With the increasing disruption caused by giants like Amazon, Google & Apple etc with their mega profits, & increasing automation & use of robotics in everything from agriculture to surgery, there's going to be far fewer jobs in future & I can't see there's much any govt can do about that.
However, Govt's can & must mitigate the effects to avoid massive catastrophic social disruption & I think Grant Robertson (like Bill English before him), has a very good grasp of this.

Around the world, Govt's are starting to consider they may need to provide a Universal Income at some point in the future, esp when you consider the world's richest 26 people own as much wealth as the poorest half the worlds population, or just a tiny 5% of the worlds population now hold over 70% of the worlds wealth & that trend is only increasing.

The Covid pandemic has accelerated all these highly complex challenges.
So we will be looking at an increasing number of people needing some degree of welfare support & we had better start adjusting to that idea.

[Balance]

So we will be looking at an increasing number of people needing some degree of welfare support & we had better start adjusting to that idea.

Breeding beneficiaries - that's the long and short of this idealess & clueless government.

[blackcap]

The Covid pandemic has accelerated all these highly complex challenges.
So we will be looking at an increasing number of people needing some degree of welfare support & we had better start adjusting to that idea.

That would in my humble opinion be a disaster for society. Idle hands are a recipe for a lot of social problems and ills.

[Balance]

That would in my humble opinion be a disaster for society. Idle hands are a recipe for a lot of social problems and ills.

Covid-19 has played beautifully into the hands of the incompetents who cannot ever deliver 5% of the huge promise made on Kiwibuild.

Breeding beneficiaries under the guise of covid-19 will deliver plenty of votes though to keep the incompetents in power for a long long time.

Those of us who know their game will benefit from it - so Let's Do This!

[tim23]

In the real world, Iceman, the layoffs and redundancies you have alerted & referred to have already started happening -

Employers (doing the right thing) by keeping staff on using the wage subsidy and doing the decent thing by topping up employees’ remuneration -

but post wage subsidy, having to lay staff off.

Start with The Warehouse (1,000+) and continue down the list to the latest AMI (100+).

Talk to business owners out there and most of them are having to cut staff numbers.

The wage subsidy was indeed simply staving off the inevitable.

Now, here's the crucial point per discussion about beneficiaries : if employers topping up employees’ remuneration = employers being beneficiaries, then we know where this country is heading with Comrade Cindy & her incompetents in charge.

Breeding beneficiaries - there’s no getting away with that basic principle of Labour’s economic strategy & policy.

On no - you are blaming the government for COOVID 19 - plenty of your lot can end up on benefit through no fault of their own - its the economy stupid!

[Balance]

On no - you are blaming the government for COOVID 19 - plenty of your lot can end up on benefit through no fault of their own - its the economy stupid!

You are the one who believes that employers are beneficiaries even while they are topping up the wage subsidies to employees with their own monies.

Explain that first.

Says a lot about your woke pixie dusted mindset, does it not?

Employers who claimed the wage subsidy are beneficiaries too aren't they?