Labour / NZ First Government

[boysy]

An excellent poll result after the rogue poll last week. 32% vs 24.5% - day & night!

In 4 weeks’ time, the 14% undecided will also firm up their preference and the picture will become clearer.

Down 5% for Labour, down 1% for Greens and it’s the start of sayanora comrade Cindy & her team of incompetents.

Meanwhile, some of us are positioned to win either way so enjoy!

One party wants to create jobs, the other party wants to breed more beneficiaries.

An excellent poll result you have to be joking if you exclude the rouge poll the result is nothing short of disastrous for National a remember under soyman anything less than 40 was trouble territory. The fact that she keeps on spouting internal polling in the high 30s without providing this detail to even her own team speaks volumes, the fact nats are still leaking to the media shows the real mood of the party. Plenty of encumber Nat MPs will be out on the streets based on this polling simple as that.

[macduffy]

I'm not sure what a "rouge" poll is but if the recent poll is any indication the election remains Labour's to lose. Provided there's no second wave of the virus, we can expect a further Labour term, sans NZF and probably also Greens. Wouldn't be such a bad result, IMO.

[fungus pudding]

I'm not sure what a "rouge" poll is but if the recent poll is any indication the election remains Labour's to lose. Provided there's no second wave of the virus, we can expect a further Labour term, sans NZF and probably also Greens. Wouldn't be such a bad result, IMO.

Greens will make it over the line - always do.

[Blue Skies]

Just some observations.
National are down a further 6% on the previous Colmar Brunton poll, while Labour are up 3%. National would lose a quarter of its MP's while Labour could govern alone.
At 32% the level when previously the caucus (including Collins) has said they would need to change the leader, National itself (never mind anybody else) has said that would be a disaster.

Collins was saying the Reid poll was a rogue poll in which case she's saying it doesn't count. She & others can't now pretend Colmar B' is a good result, unless now admitting the Reid poll wasn't a rogue poll.
Which is it? Can't have it both ways.

Notably as explained, the earlier Reid poll was taken over a longer time frame & included the period just after most recent change of leadership & when National had several MP's being fired for unethical behaviour & it's number 2 & 3 ranked MP's Kaye & Adams resigned.

[dobby41]

An excellent poll result you have to be joking if you exclude the rouge poll the result is nothing short of disastrous for National a remember under soyman anything less than 40 was trouble territory.

Crusher is on record as saying polling under 35% and you should change the leader.
When asked she said 'not likely'.

[dobby41]

The signs still point towards 15%+ as subsidies are withdrawn, and the global economic beings to contract. We'll have some updates later tonight from the US.

Any idea who's still advocating 15% unemployment (other than you)?
Any interesting article on how we are bouncing back
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300...ated-negatives

[Balance]

An excellent poll result you have to be joking if you exclude the rouge poll the result is nothing short of disastrous for National a remember under soyman anything less than 40 was trouble territory. The fact that she keeps on spouting internal polling in the high 30s without providing this detail to even her own team speaks volumes, the fact nats are still leaking to the media shows the real mood of the party. Plenty of encumber Nat MPs will be out on the streets based on this polling simple as that.

And do you see the likes of me worried?

Not in the least as we, who know how to play the game, win either way.

It's NZ which will be sinking into the economic swamp of despair if Comrade Cindy & her incompetents run the country into the ground for another 3 years.

Some of us don't really mind as come sunshine or rain, there's ways to make things work - Labour lop-sided 'beneficiaries breeding' policies are there to be taken advantage of.

Let's DO This!

[moka]

Employers who claimed the wage subsidy are beneficiaries too aren't they?

The subsidy was paid out by MSD/Work and Income due to financial hardship because employers were significantly impacted by COVID-19.

Sounds like a hardship grant/benefit to me. Employers definitely benefited from the payment from the generous benefactor = the government.
A benefactor provides money or other resources to an individual, group, or organization. A beneficiary receives these benefits.

Special Needs Grant = Hardship Grant. A Special Needs Grant is a one-off payment to help you pay an essential or emergency cost if you can't pay it another way. You usually don't have to pay the money back.
https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/pr...rant.html#null

[Blue Skies]

And do you see the likes of me worried?

Not in the least as we, who know how to play the game, win either way.

It's NZ which will be sinking into the economic swamp of despair if Comrade Cindy & her incompetents run the country into the ground for another 3 years.

Some of us don't really mind as come sunshine or rain, there's ways to make things work - Labour lop-sided 'beneficiaries breeding' policies are there to be taken advantage of.

Let's DO This!

Sadly thats the sense of entitlement & extremely cynical selfish values which have become all too closely aligned with the National Party in recent years. The awful attitudes, sense of entitlement & values which Todd Muller & Nikki Kaye wanted to expunge from the National Party.
Look where its got them. A major party with over 20 of their MP's leaving for various reasons, this term, a crisis in leadership & disastrous polling.
And yet still so self- unaware.

They're the complete antithesis of the style of leadership of Jacinda Adern, and even when Labour make mistakes & are far from perfect, people want a more caring honest govt and politicians with integrity.

[Balance]

Sadly thats the sense of entitlement & extremely cynical selfish values which have become all too closely aligned with the National Party in recent years. The awful attitudes, sense of entitlement & values which Todd Muller & Nikki Kaye wanted to expunge from the National Party.
Look where its got them. A major party with over 20 of their MP's leaving for various reasons, this term, a crisis in leadership & disastrous polling.
And yet still so self- unaware.

They're the complete antithesis of the style of leadership of Jacinda Adern, and even when Labour make mistakes & are far from perfect, people want a more caring honest govt and politicians with integrity.

I did not vote National last election so you are way off beam with your observation.

As for honesty & integrity, try the hijab and the granting of asylum for the Iranian queue jumper as instances of how cynical & hypocritical Cindy is.

Burnishing her UN job credentials at the expense of oppressed Muslim women (hijab is a symbol of oppression in many Islamic countries like Iran, Afghanistan & Iraq) and going back on the commitment to Australia not to allow Manus Island refugees to jump queue.