Labour / NZ First Government

[moka]

The personalisation of politics – those who support Ardern also support the government’s response, while those who did not feel emotionally close to Ardern do not support the government’s response.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...mes-with-risks
Ardern’s political style rests on her personal appeal, but it has also been criticised as superficial – or, as Bill English put it, “stardust”. Personalisation of politics means that political leaders can nurture emotional closeness with voters across party lines and political ideologies.
The majority of Ardern supporters who also support the National Party (80%), ACT (85.2%), and New Conservatives (85.7%) deemed the government’s response to COVID-19 “successful”.
In stark contrast, among those who did not feel closely connected to Ardern, few supporters of opposition parties gave such positive evaluations (National 37.4%, ACT 27.8%, and New Conservatives 23.5%).
Nonetheless, even among supporters of the opposition parties, people who felt emotionally close to Ardern showed more support for higher tax than those who felt closer to other party leaders.

[blackcap]

Found on BFD.co.nz. Interesting reading. No wonder so many questions are being asked on social media.

I hope Mr Hipkens doesn't tell me off, but some things about our 'South Auckland family' don't add up. Is it alright to talk about it? After all, the repercussions are destroying the livelihoods of many of our Auckland friends and costing the country billions so everything should be subject to scrutiny at this stage; don't you think?

We learned on Tuesday 11 August, and the following days, that an unwell male, in his fifties, presented to his GP on Monday 10th August with symptoms and was swabbed for a COVID sample, testing positive twice. By the following day the sample had been notified and a second, also positive, test taken and analysed. Not only that, but the six other family 'household' members who live with him had been tested with three of the further six testing positive by mid-afternoon Tuesday. That's, of itself, a minor-miracle turn-around time given results normally take 24 hours to materialise, but I suppose they were designated priority, or something, and by 4pm Tuesday 11th the hammer began dropping on the entire population of unfortunate Auckland.

Mr Bloomfield, with hand on heart and all the certainty possible, claimed, in response to a press question on the 11th, that the gentleman concerned had displayed symptoms for "four or five days" before presenting at his GP. We now know that was not true: that is not to say Mr Bloomfield lied, but that the statement is simply untrue, because during the COVID Update of August 13th both the prime minister and Mr Bloomfield confirmed that, in fact, the correct date of the gentleman's first symptoms was July 31st. We never went '100-Days' COVID-free.

So what? Well, here's the interesting thing from the Alert Level 3 announcement on the 11th:

"Media: And what kind of symptoms are the cases showing? Are they quite severe symptoms?


Dr Ashley Bloomfield: So the person who presented as the first case did have fever, a cough—you know, so quite noticeable symptoms. The partner of that person also had obvious symptoms—in fact, that preceded that of the case that we diagnosed first".

So: the partner of Index One was ill and displaying "obvious" COVID symptoms "preceding", our "first" documented resurgence case, taking the possible timeline further back, raising further questions and nullifying others, for instance: if 'Index One's' partner actually contracted COVID first then Index One's employment at the Americold cool-store is completely irrelevant, a totally unnecessary and unfair slur on the business, a Herring Red, and a very wet rag to the 'came in on frozen peas from Melbourne' governing coalition's 'Dunno how it got here' conspiracy theory.

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Over to you: Mr Hipkens but, please; don't get angry, remember to watch your peas and (Managed Isolation and Quarantine) queues, they're splitting.

[mikeybycrikey]

Found on BFD.co.nz. Interesting reading. No wonder so many questions are being asked on social media.

The thing that gets me about all these insinuations that the Director General or a minister is lying, is it is never explained what the benefit is from the lie.

If the index case wasn’t really the index case, why was the lie told? It just becomes grand conspiracy after grand conspiracy with no explation of what the aim of the grand conspiracy was.

It also the usual anti-government conspiracy where they can’t organise their way out of a paper bag, but they can create a grand web of lies and no one from the MOH is blabbing to the media about this fabrication.

1. Lie about covid
2. ???????
3. Profit?

[westerly]

[QUOTE=blackcap;836534]Found on BFD.co.nz. Interesting reading. No wonder so many questions are being asked on social media.

Unable to find article on quoted website. Perhaps the MOH had it deleted?

westerly

[dobby41]

Dr Ashley Bloomfield: So the person who presented as the first case did have fever, a cough—you know, so quite noticeable symptoms. The partner of that person also had obvious symptoms—in fact, that preceded that of the case that we diagnosed first".

I have listened to all the briefings and never heard or saw that written - sure that isn't fake news on its own and you just believe it because it suits you?
Be careful what you read and believe.

[blackcap]

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Found on BFD.co.nz. Interesting reading. No wonder so many questions are being asked on social media.

Unable to find article on quoted website. Perhaps the MOH had it deleted?

westerly

It is not an article. It is a post by someone.

[dobby41]

It is not an article. It is a post by someone.

Why would you re-post someone else's, unverified, opinion?
It is wrong in the assertion that the second case was prior to the first and makes it look like you just spread rumors.

[Balance]

Why would you re-post someone else's, unverified, opinion?
It is wrong in the assertion that the second case was prior to the first and makes it look like you just spread rumors.

Wakey wakey - that’s how social media works - for sharing information and views.

Comes down to each individual whether they re-post.

Maybe you may want to ask POTUS - Trump reposts plenty of unverifiable posts as a matter of course.

[blackcap]

I have listened to all the briefings and never heard or saw that written - sure that isn't fake news on its own and you just believe it because it suits you?
Be careful what you read and believe.

Media: And what kind of symptoms are the cases showing? Are they quite severe symptoms?
Dr Ashley Bloomfield: So the person who presented as the first case did have fever, a cough—you know, so quite noticeable symptoms. The partner of that person also had obvious symptoms—in fact, that preceded that of the case that we diagnosed first.

page 6 if you really must...11/8

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/feature/covid-19-updates

[dobby41]

Wakey wakey - that’s how social media works - for sharing information and views.

Comes down to each individual whether they re-post. Look no further than Trump & Twitter.

Exactly - look no further than Trump and Twitter as to how false information gets spread so well.
You should know this given your avid dislike of Trump.