Labour / NZ First Government

[dobby41]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...t-tested-twice

“The Government’s assessment of the risk of Covid-19 spreading into the community through the border facilities has been predicated on all people returning to New Zealand having both tests. However, the Government does not have records of how many people have had or refused the day three tests.”

Basic and this incompetent government simply cannot get it right!

No mention, though, on what difference the lack of a day 3 test would have on the result of the model (given it doesn't actually affect the outcome).
Of course, the test not being mandatory doesn't mean it isn't done - and it has been.
The day 12 test is the important one. 15 adults have refused the day 12 test and then have to stay 28 days in isolation.
You are being sucked into National false narrative.

[iceman]

No mention, though, on what difference the lack of a day 3 test would have on the result of the model (given it doesn't actually affect the outcome).
Of course, the test not being mandatory doesn't mean it isn't done - and it has been.
The day 12 test is the important one. 15 adults have refused the day 12 test and then have to stay 28 days in isolation.
You are being sucked into National false narrative.

I dispute that. In my isolation hotel, one guest tested positive from the day 3 test. He was then removed to a quarantine hotel and we were all told to stay in our rooms until further notice, until the hotel was deep cleaned and disinfected. Had that not been done, this person would have been allowed to go outside for walks, using the lifts, same rubbish bins as us, access to the lobby and potentially come into close contact with several people. So the day 3 test should absolutely be mandatory with mo exemptions.

[Balance]

No mention, though, on what difference the lack of a day 3 test would have on the result of the model (given it doesn't actually affect the outcome).
Of course, the test not being mandatory doesn't mean it isn't done - and it has been.
The day 12 test is the important one. 15 adults have refused the day 12 test and then have to stay 28 days in isolation.
You are being sucked into National false narrative.

What was the impression given to NZers with this government announcement :

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA20...aland-safe.htm

“The Ministry of Health is already testing people in managed isolation and quarantine facilities at days 3 and 12, and a negative result is required for the day 12 test before people are allowed to leave their quarantine facility.

Cindy & MOH make a big song and dance about the 3 day & 12 days testing - to keep us safe, remember after they were caught out not properly testing returnees before releasing back into the community.

What does the government web-site says?

Surprise - "People are tested for COVID-19 around day 3 and day 12 of their stay, and they must test negative before they can leave."

https://covid19.govt.nz/travel-and-t...nd-quarantine/

Smoke and mirrors - that's what this government has been doing post first lockdown - to give NZers a false sense of security.

[dobby41]

What was the impression given to NZers with this government announcement :

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA20...aland-safe.htm

“The Ministry of Health is already testing people in managed isolation and quarantine facilities at days 3 and 12, and a negative result is required for the day 12 test before people are allowed to leave their quarantine facility.

Cindy & MOH make a big song and dance about the 3 day & 12 days testing - to keep us safe, remember after they were caught out not properly testing returnees before releasing back into the community.

What does the government web-site says?

Surprise - "People are tested for COVID-19 around day 3 and day 12 of their stay, and they must test negative before they can leave."

https://covid19.govt.nz/travel-and-t...nd-quarantine/

Smoke and mirrors - that's what this government has been doing post first lockdown - to give NZers a false sense of security.

All of that is true - people are tested at day 3 (not mandated but they are being tested (National thought compulsory testing without a health reason was an infringement of peoples rights)) and the day 12 negative is the important one - without it you can't leave.
So both red bits are correct.
You'll take out of that what you wish.
The final result count.

[Balance]

All of that is true - people are tested at day 3 (not mandated but they are being tested (National thought compulsory testing without a health reason was an infringement of peoples rights)) and the day 12 negative is the important one - without it you can't leave.
So both red bits are correct.
You'll take out of that what you wish.
The final result count.

It is very clear from the statements that Cindy & government want to give the impression that day 3 and day 12 are mandatory.

Now everyone understands the woke pixie dust that Labourites & Cindy try at every turn to pull over the eyes of all NZers - luckily not all of us are sheep!

[dobby41]

It is very clear from the statements that Cindy & government want to give the impression that day 3 and day 12 are mandatory.

Now everyone understands the woke pixie dust that Labourites & Cindy try at every turn to pull over the eyes of all NZers - luckily not all of us are sheep!

There you go with your Trumpisms again - when you run out of an argument in they come, just like him.

[Balance]

There you go with your Trumpisms again - when you run out of an argument in they come, just like him.

Not going to deflect from what was very clearly stated in the various announcements from the government & Cindy : Testing to take place on day 3 & day 12.

That's what they wanted NZers to believe and they have been caught out again.

Just like appointing Heather 'consultancy fees $$$$' Simpson and then, not even having a job brief for her!

[artemis]

It is very clear from the statements that Cindy & government want to give the impression that day 3 and day 12 are mandatory. ....

I certainly thought those tests were and are mandatory. A lot of spinning on this in the House today, but the net of it is -

"Dr Shane Reti: Is he really telling New Zealanders that the Government cannot count the number of people who entered managed isolation and subtract the number who were tested at day three?

Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, I'm saying that we don't routinely measure the number of people who haven't had day-three tests, because it's not the most important consideration when it comes to our public health response."

Who knew?

[Balance]

I certainly thought those tests were and are mandatory. A lot of spinning on this in the House today, but the net of it is -

"Dr Shane Reti: Is he really telling New Zealanders that the Government cannot count the number of people who entered managed isolation and subtract the number who were tested at day three?

Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, I'm saying that we don't routinely measure the number of people who haven't had day-three tests, because it's not the most important consideration when it comes to our public health response."

Who knew?

Pathetic response - and they want us to trust they know what they are doing.

[Baa_Baa]

Pathetic response - and they want us to trust they know what they are doing.

It's shocking admission from the Minister that they don't have/keep records of day 3 testing. WTF!