Labour / NZ First Government

[artemis]

Could be 20+k of scaffolding for a start. That's H&S regulations not RMA. Generally nothing to do with the RMA in replacing a roof unless you're actually redesigning the house as you do it.

Were the scaff regs really H&S though? Recommend a glance at Bryce Wilkinson's scaff paper A Matter of Balance. A few years old but still good. Easy to find on NZ Initiatives site.

[artemis]

It's not just the Canterbury DHB either, Raz. Whoever came up with the idea of loading the DHB's with debt which they have to service should admit the folly of the idea, write off all DHB's debt and fund future operations adequately.

Wasn't there a review that put the acid on management incompetence?

[dobby41]

Good to see Labour now also promising to repeal the RMA & start again. Cost of building in this country is out of control.
Recently heard of someone being given a quote of $90,000 to replace the roof on their house. How could it possibly cost that much to replace a roof for goodness sake.

What would the RMA have to do with a roof replacement?
Conflating issues I think.

[Blue Skies]

What would the RMA have to do with a roof replacement?
Conflating issues I think.

Not intentionally.
As I understand it, if you alter the roof line in any way or change to a different type of roofing material, it involves going through the RMA process.
Slightly altering the width of a dormer window with it just slightly infringing on height to boundary ratio, cost some friends over $100,000 going through the whole long RMA process, and in the end it was passed anyway, so what's the point apart from keeping a whole army of paper pushing compliance people something to do between 9a and 5p. (said slightly tongue in cheek)

[tim23]

Could be 20+k of scaffolding for a start. That's H&S regulations not RMA. Generally nothing to do with the RMA in replacing a roof unless you're actually redesigning the house as you do it.

You are probably right - but maybe a bit high on the 20K but the catalyst for all this health and safety was Pike River and is was National that wound down the inspectorate so badly and it was National that crushed the unions and yet over looked is the fact that unions were big on health and safety - so you join the dots...

[tim23]

Subdivision and non compliant activities are extraordinarily expensive, and with generally no extra benefit obtained from all the hoop jumping.

A friend as part of a 1 section subdivision had the misfortune to be forming an entrance onto a piece of SH12 here in Northland. 34k later it is done. I can see at best 5k value in the work done. Approx 5k in traffic management costs alone for a quiet piece of road.

All thanks to Geoff Palmer who hundreds of consultants and planners should be required to bow down every Monday morning in gratitude for the monumental cockup he inflicted upon us all and ensured billions of dollars spent on non-productive Environment Court and Council Hearings. All hail Sir Geoff!

I can well believe that - at least you have a friend probably one more friend than Balance (unless we count Hosking)

[Zaphod]

Some district plans do note roof form, materials and even colour. Attempting to vary these can result in a council imposed requirement to obtain a resource consent. Roof colour has been an objection raised by councils in the Wellington region of late.

[iceman]

Ahhh.....ones an obvious typo, and ones a $4 Billion miscalculation using the wrong set of figures. Satisfied now ?

A typo ? It was a graph showing Government net debt forecast by 2034. The graph showed it standing at $ 49 B but the actual is $ 274 B. And the Finance Minister and all his advisers did not notice it. Yeah right !

[dobby41]

Not intentionally.
As I understand it, if you alter the roof line in any way or change to a different type of roofing material, it involves going through the RMA process.
Slightly altering the width of a dormer window with it just slightly infringing on height to boundary ratio, cost some friends over $100,000 going through the whole long RMA process, and in the end it was passed anyway, so what's the point apart from keeping a whole army of paper pushing compliance people something to do between 9a and 5p. (said slightly tongue in cheek)

It would go through the consent process not the RMA if you changed the roofline.
If you changed the materials it would depend on the change - swap Iron for Concrete tiles - consent and grief.

[jonu]

You are probably right - but maybe a bit high on the 20K but the catalyst for all this health and safety was Pike River and is was National that wound down the inspectorate so badly and it was National that crushed the unions and yet over looked is the fact that unions were big on health and safety - so you join the dots...

I would but the the dots don't link up. If what the Nats did was so terrible, why didn't Aunty Helen fix it during her 9 years?

We have tended to follow the UK on this H&S and RMA stuff as far as I can make out.

Regardless, it doesn't diminish the fact that idiot savant Geof Palmer lumbered us with the RMA in all it's consulting, mitigating glory. Palmer is unrivalled in the intelligent fool category.

Andrew Little probably surpasses him in the fool category, but he's just a plain old idiot. I shudder to think what legacy Little will leave us with if he gets a second term as Justice Minister. He might even get lumbered with Cindy's Ihumatao cockup to sort out as well.