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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    No GST on rent or mortgage payments. Which benefits lower income households disproportionately.
    Then maybe that's why GST means Goods and Services Tax.

    When the Government first introduced GST, it decided it would not apply to the rental of residential dwellings.

    This was because of the practical difficulties of collecting GST on such rents and also so that persons renting out residential properties and owner-occupiers of homes should be on an equal footing.
    GST on items within NZ is a tax where the final amount payable rests with an end-user in NZ. If the goods or services are exported of course, all the paperwork in the chain results in no net tax being paid at all.

    Business operators running out of a leased commercial building usually get charged GST, and then claim it back, as it's an expense for them, not an income. So those sorts of leases are quoted as xxx +GST p.a., and the tenant and landlord largely forget about the GST effect.

    At the time GST was introduced, it would have been impossible to just raise all domestic rents (and mortgages?) by 10% without an equivalent income tax or benefit payment adjustment for those affected, and there was already some work needed there that supposedly balanced GST on other items out. I did some maths at the time and posed an awkward question to David Lange on some radio show, which he carefully avoided answering. I figured out that while the effect on low to average income earners might be small, the new tax breaks at the top would greatly benefit higher income earners. This was a moment in time where baby boomers and the generation before them, got one of their big breaks. GST is a regressive tax, especially when the income tax rate at the top end was lowered more in tandem.

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    How can the Minister for Broadcasting and "Open Government" possibly stay in her role when this is what the Cabinet Manual says: "if an employee wishes to communicate privately with a Minister about a matter concerning the agency by which he or she is employed, the Minister should ensure that the employee has first raised the matter with the agency's chief executive."

    So much for open and honest Government. Hosking's headline in the Herald this morning probably the most apt: "From aspirations to aspirin"

    Poor Cindy will be wishing for the maternity leave to come around fast to get away from this mess of a coalition she's trying to (unsuccessfully) manage

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post

    Poor Cindy will be wishing for the maternity leave to come around fast to get away from this mess of a coalition she's trying to (unsuccessfully) manage
    Yeah but then she has her partner to contend with on a more daily basis. Not sure she wants that either. Either way Winston will be licking his chops in anticipation one feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elZorro View Post
    Then maybe that's why GST means Goods and Services Tax.



    GST on items within NZ is a tax where the final amount payable rests with an end-user in NZ. If the goods or services are exported of course, all the paperwork in the chain results in no net tax being paid at all.

    Business operators running out of a leased commercial building usually get charged GST, and then claim it back, as it's an expense for them, not an income. So those sorts of leases are quoted as xxx +GST p.a., and the tenant and landlord largely forget about the GST effect.

    At the time GST was introduced, it would have been impossible to just raise all domestic rents (and mortgages?) by 10% without an equivalent income tax or benefit payment adjustment for those affected, and there was already some work needed there that supposedly balanced GST on other items out. I did some maths at the time and posed an awkward question to David Lange on some radio show, which he carefully avoided answering. I figured out that while the effect on low to average income earners might be small, the new tax breaks at the top would greatly benefit higher income earners. This was a moment in time where baby boomers and the generation before them, got one of their big breaks. GST is a regressive tax, especially when the income tax rate at the top end was lowered more in tandem.
    Thank-you for explaing something that everyone over the age of three already knew. However, the thrust of your message, that GST is an excellent and fair taxation system, is something we can all agree on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    How can the Minister for Broadcasting and "Open Government" possibly stay in her role when this is what the Cabinet Manual says: "if an employee wishes to communicate privately with a Minister about a matter concerning the agency by which he or she is employed, the Minister should ensure that the employee has first raised the matter with the agency's chief executive."

    So much for open and honest Government. Hosking's headline in the Herald this morning probably the most apt: "From aspirations to aspirin"

    Poor Cindy will be wishing for the maternity leave to come around fast to get away from this mess of a coalition she's trying to (unsuccessfully) manage
    heres a tip for Open Government: Dont put initials in a a diary when others full names get written in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    heres a tip for Open Government: Dont put initials in a a diary when others full names get written in.
    And don't add it to your diary after the event !

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    And don't add it to your diary after the event !
    Print media in NZ is controlled by N.Z.M.E. and Fairfax. Television is controlled by NZME , TVNZ,
    and SKY.
    They all take great delight in commenting on any problems rival companies may be experiencing.
    Radio NZ is the unfortunate target of all the above especially given the Labour Govt. was proposing a
    RNZ tv channel.
    National shut down TV7 a previous attempt to have better content than is screened by the existing companies.
    We now have the media frenzy over a meeting between a Minister and a RNZ executive in a coffee shop.
    How public can you get?
    Perhaps if the media produced some quality news and content there would be no need for RNZ?

    westerly

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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    We now have the media frenzy over a meeting between a Minister and a RNZ executive in a coffee shop.
    How public can you get?
    Perhaps if the media produced some quality news and content there would be no need for RNZ?

    westerly
    The reason why Jacinda cant find any Russian spies is that they are out there in public acting like any Joe Bloggs. They arent wearing trench coats and hanging around park benches. A trick Clare has obviously picked up. Comrades no doubt learn lots of useful stuff in their Labour Camps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    Print media in NZ is controlled by N.Z.M.E. and Fairfax. Television is controlled by NZME , TVNZ,
    and SKY.
    They all take great delight in commenting on any problems rival companies may be experiencing.
    Radio NZ is the unfortunate target of all the above especially given the Labour Govt. was proposing a
    RNZ tv channel.
    National shut down TV7 a previous attempt to have better content than is screened by the existing companies.
    We now have the media frenzy over a meeting between a Minister and a RNZ executive in a coffee shop.
    How public can you get?
    Perhaps if the media produced some quality news and content there would be no need for RNZ?


    westerly
    Incorrect westerly. The deserved media attention is because CH's employer explicitly bans her from direct contact to Ministers without the CEO's agreement and knowledge and the Minister broke Cabinet rules. They then both went on to lie about it, resulting the the CEO and Chairman of RNZ inadvertently lying to a select committee at Parliament, which is a crime.
    You need to do better trying to justify this. CH leaving her job immediately after being forced to tell the truth, 4 months late, shows there is no question about her doing wrong. The PM should step up for once and fire the Minister as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    The reason why Jacinda cant find any Russian spies is that they are out there in public acting like any Joe Bloggs. They arent wearing trench coats and hanging around park benches. A trick Clare has obviously picked up. Comrades no doubt learn lots of useful stuff in their Labour Camps.
    In the 40's and 50's the highest aspiration of far lefties was to live out their days in a Moscow flat. No longer, now they want to be list MP's. Allegiance to a foreign country which followed the ideology of a long dead mad scribbler wont help them get into Parliament.

    Boop boop de do
    Marilyn

    PS. When the Deputy Prime Minister gets his Russian free trade deal think of all the wonderful opportunities their will be to buy polonium novichok and surface to air missiles.
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