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    No idea why Mk 1 got closed but it is so there you are.

    Excellent news today that the Supreme Court has found that WorkSafe made an unlawful agreement to stifle prosecution"

    Big lesson for NZ companies who try to hide tier responsibilities behind insurance.

    A truly excellent day for NZ Justice - which can only be good for our sharemarket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    No idea why Mk 1 got closed but it is so there you are.
    Perhaps the fact that it descended into a slanging match and deserves to be in the off-market area?

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    Yes good stuff, heres the link. Who paid out the $3mill plus blood money Pike, NZOG?
    Pike River mum hails 'moral victory'

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    No idea why Mk 1 got closed but it is so there you are.

    Excellent news today that the Supreme Court has found that WorkSafe made an unlawful agreement to stifle prosecution"

    Big lesson for NZ companies who try to hide tier responsibilities behind insurance.

    A truly excellent day for NZ Justice - which can only be good for our sharemarket.
    It is an excellent day indeed for justice in NZ.

    As is said often enough, justice must not only be done but be seen to be done.

    But only a moral victory as Peter Whittall cannot be charged due to passage of time.

    Nevertheless, precedent set that a government department cannot abrogate its responsibility to prosecute when there is such a clear case of negligence causing death.

    Heck, W&S have charged employers and managers for lesser work practices!
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    So if the payout was unlawful will they have to pay it back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    So if the payout was unlawful will they have to pay it back?
    My understanding without reading the full judgement is that a payment in exchange for dropping charges was the unlawful bit.

    This is a dire reflection on Worksafe who stuffed this one up from start to finish. Said the mine was safe and cleared the way to drop charges in the end.

    It is a very sad indication of the quality of the regulatory bodies that govern NZ business. Someone in Worksafe should lose their job over this monumental botch up - which has essentially deprived the families their day in court and deprived NZ of due judicial process.

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    This is the NZX forum... perhaps this should be on the off topic discussion.

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    Well before it goes off-topic, the $3.1 million was funded by P Withall's insurance company. To a certain extent Withall was hung out to dry, he was only there for about six weeks before the explosion {still must be held accountable I agree} but the previous CEO Gordon Ward had been the man in charge for a lot longer and should also bear responsibility. He shot through to Australia and decided not to return to answer any questions. The board of directors have also got off scot-free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardt View Post
    This is the NZX forum... perhaps this should be on the off topic discussion.
    To stay on forum, one of the messages here is to shareholders. If we own companies in regulated industries it is very clear that we cannot rely on the competence of the regulatory authority to be doing their job. Worksafe is (was) clearly incompetent and any comfort PRC holders took from Worksafe statements or comfort that a regulator has an eye on things lie safety processes was clearly misguided.

    The thing about this particular judgement is that I am appalled that we have a government agency "pushing the very edge" of the law when it comes to its role. Accepting a payment in exchange for a non prosecution is wild west stuff. NZ companies need robust attention to ensure they are compying with our lawsas - that helps maintain an equal and comptetitive playing field.

    But they fail

    We have companies who get away with exploiting labour and MBIE Labour Inspectors do nothing - this provides that company with an unfair competitive advantage of keeping labour costs down. It also provides misinformation to the market who think costs are on a legal basis.

    This case is proof we have a responsibility to dig beneath the veneer companies and other organisations report. Like that useless TIN report with PEB be the fastest growing emerging company

    (and off topic I'm still bloody angry Worksafes incompetence saw no-one in PRC held to account)

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/ne...g-in-greymouth

    100 days up and what have we got?

    "Little, the minister responsible for the agency, said it was time to "make every effort to safely recover the Pike to better understand why 29 men never came home".

    "The final decision on whether to re-enter the drift would be based on technical assessment of the risks, he said.

    Under the structure of the agency and New Zealand Health and Safety laws, agency head Dave Gawn would be legally liable if something went wrong in the re-entry."

    COMPLETE AND UTTER REVERSAL OF THE UNDERTAKINGS MADE DURING THE ELECTION:

    Jacinda Ardern on 13 September 2017 while politicking to the dead miners' families :

    ........... "We've always had specialist advice that says it is possible to do a safe, manned re-entry and that's what we've committed to."

    No qualification & no equivocation.

    ........... "We will have a re-entry plan in place within the first 100 days."

    So where's the re-entry plan based upon the specialist advice so quoted?

    Shameless

    Immoral

    Disgusting

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    Totally cynical underhanded crookish behaviour by Backtrack Cindy Astern - preying on the feelings of dead miners' families.

    Well, almost as bad as Shyster Peters.

    I throw my worn out shoes at both of these two scumbags.

    The dead miners' families have been had - pure and simple.

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    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/883...-on-West-Coast

    "Peters had so much faith in the families' report by international experts he said he would be willing to enter the drift himself."

    Yes indeed - no qualification at all. Peters believed the families' report is so good that he IS WILLING to enter the mine HIMSELF.

    Question - Where is Winston?

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    Sonya Rockhouse, who lost her son Ben, said she was "celebrating the beginning of our journey to retrieve our men".

    "Through sheer bloody mindedness, the support of a huge amount of New Zealanders and a change of Government we are here today celebrating the beginning of our journey to retrieve our men."

    Notice that the poor deceived Sonya actually believes Winston, Little and Astern are going to retrieve the dead miners' bodies?

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    As perhaps the least naive person here Balance, I applaud you for sticking up for the rights of the families of the Pike River deceased and agree completely with your assessment, however you would realise the distinction politically, between gaining power and retaining power. Election promises mean nothing, they are the utterings that entrap the voters. It worked for Labour this time, though it should not be confused with what they actually do. Keep up the good work pointing out the hyperbole.

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    Lets be clear. David Gawn is not solely liable for safety. Pike River Recovery Agency is the main entity who holds main responsibility. David is just an Officer. I don't know who the Directors are - need to check Andrew Littles position on that front. All contractors are also responsible as are everyone's employees.

    Successive government have allowed teh agriculture industry to kill and maim left right and centre and do we hear a single peep about vehicle safety . None.

    Given me a breaks from this safety nonsense! It cannot be used as an excuse to stop dangerous work.

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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11996050

    Bold headlines : 'Pike River Boss prepared to enter the mine himself'

    Oh wow! At last, someone with real balls.

    Alas, a nothing statement as per usual from all those connected with the hypocritical deception of Winston, Little and Ardern playing dirty and cynical politics with the 29 dead miners and their families - 'Gwan said he would like to go in if he was fully trained and "it fits within the plan".

    But this is what Ardern said during the election :

    Jacinda Ardern on 13 September 2017 while politicking to the dead miners' families :

    ........... "We've always had specialist advice that says it is possible to do a safe, manned re-entry and that's what we've committed to."

    No qualification & no equivocation.

    ........... "We will have a re-entry plan in place within the first 100 days."

    And this is Peters :

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/883...-on-West-Coast

    "Peters had so much faith in the families' report by international experts he said he would be willing to enter the drift himself."

    The Pike River families are being taken for a ride by the cynical hypocrisy dripping out of the mouths of Peters, Ardern and Little.

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