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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Going by overseas experience not much increase.In fact i read somewhere the biggest increase was in re the 60 year plus or something like that. Vaporisers and edible products get around any lung concerns.
    Vaping marijuana causes lung disease and legalising it will just cause more harm.
    Perhaps in part because of people believing as you, vaping marijuana has grown increasingly popular. In Colorado—the poster child of legal marijuana use—there was a 78% increase in the number of marijuana concentrates (a category that includes vape products) sold to consumers from 2017 to 2018, according to state Department of Revenue data. (Marijuana flowers still make up a larger share of the total market, the data shows––but the proportion is changing as concentrate sales rise.)

    https://time.com/5771181/double-lung-transplant-vaping/
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    That is true for E cigarettes and the like.They are full of additives, flavours and often nicotine as well.These cause the harm.

    Totally different to vaporisers for cannabis use. The vapouriser eliminates most of the smoke ,WAAY better on the body .
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    9 ways alcohol is more harmful than cannabis

    [IMG]https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/liIyy_2cFRxZn7xrUT9Ypb6HQ1w=/620x983/smart/filters:quality(70)/media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/infographics/4375/CannabisRisks_OL.jpg[/IMG


    Doug Sellman: Cannabis is less harmful than alcohol Comment: Cannabis causes less harm than alcohol in nine of 13 medical outcomes.
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    Its far too early to know how harmful legalised cannabis will be.
    Healthwise it will be harmful-
    Shosha, described on its website as “NZ’s best vape and hooka superstore” has opened 64 stores over the past 10 years in NZ and plans to open another 24 around the country. It has also expanded into Australia, with its first store in Sydney and potentially another 20 through Melbourne and Brisbane over the next 18 months.

    Gupta said the majority of its vaporizers are manufactured and imported from China, while about half of its ‘vaping juice’ – including ‘freebase’ and ‘nicotine salt’ e-liquids - come from the US market.

    “There is some limited local production, but those are high-end products and quite expensive,” said Gupta.

    In markets like the US, where vaping products now account for about a third of all legalised marijuana use, the health consequences of using nicotine e-cigarettes for cannabis oils is becoming a hotly debated issue.

    An increasing number of lung illnesses prompted the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to issue advice to people not to vape cannabis products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish View Post
    Its far too early to know how harmful legalised cannabis will be.
    Healthwise it will be harmful-
    Shosha, described on its website as “NZ’s best vape and hooka superstore” has opened 64 stores over the past 10 years in NZ and plans to open another 24 around the country. It has also expanded into Australia, with its first store in Sydney and potentially another 20 through Melbourne and Brisbane over the next 18 months.

    Gupta said the majority of its vaporizers are manufactured and imported from China, while about half of its ‘vaping juice’ – including ‘freebase’ and ‘nicotine salt’ e-liquids - come from the US market.

    “There is some limited local production, but those are high-end products and quite expensive,” said Gupta.

    In markets like the US, where vaping products now account for about a third of all legalised marijuana use, the health consequences of using nicotine e-cigarettes for cannabis oils is becoming a hotly debated issue.

    An increasing number of lung illnesses prompted the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to issue advice to people not to vape cannabis products.
    I think you'll find the majority of these issues were caused by the addition of Vitamin E acetate in grey market thc oils, https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/20/...c-thc-chemical

    More reason to have stronger regulation in my view. A number of unscrupulous companies operating in the grey/black market would add the vitamin e acetate, as it gave the appearance of being a higher quality product.

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    You are not listening fish you are talking about a separate issue which i agree is harmful. Blinkers on? Vaporisers made for cannabis use only are i believe the healthiest way to enjoy the high . along with eating it in biscuits etc.
    As for"its far too harmful" thats definitely narrow minded and not looking at all the facts gathered over a long time. Legalising marijuana is the most sensible way to control., educate and reduce harm and others controlling the illegal sale of it imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    You are not listening fish you are talking about a separate issue which i agree is harmful. Blinkers on? Vaporisers made for cannabis use only are i believe the healthiest way to enjoy the high . along with eating it in biscuits etc.
    As for"its far too harmful" thats definitely narrow minded and not looking at all the facts gathered over a long time. Legalising marijuana is the most sensible way to control., educate and reduce harm and others controlling the illegal sale of it imo.
    Perhaps you could provide evidence to support your statement .
    All I can find are harms.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746559/

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    https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/04-...need-for-weed/
    On the Rag: The need for weed.
    Join Michèle A’Court, Alex Casey and Leonie Hayden as they find out exactly what we’re voting on in next month’s cannabis referendum, and discover how legalising weed is a women’s issue.
    Michèle visits medicinal cannabis campaigner Rose Renton and Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party co-leader Maki Herbert to hear their stories, and Professor Michelle Glass from the pharmacology and toxicology department at Otago University appears out of thin air to clear up some of the biggest myths and misconceptions on the topic of marijuana.
    Sister Mary Joseph Aubert was a green fairy and sold cannabis to fund her welfare work.

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    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/enter...-cannabis.html
    New Zealand short film Grass Roots explores economic, medical benefits of recreational cannabis
    The Invercargill-born filmmaker's Grass Roots: The Reality of Legalisation follows his travels to Oregon, a US state with a similar population, landmass, GDP and relative geographical position to Aotearoa.
    In Oregon cannabis is legal for both medical and recreational use, while in New Zealand voters are preparing for a referendum in September.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CCz12jQD0l6/

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/enter...-cannabis.html
    New Zealand short film Grass Roots explores economic, medical benefits of recreational cannabis
    The Invercargill-born filmmaker's Grass Roots: The Reality of Legalisation follows his travels to Oregon, a US state with a similar population, landmass, GDP and relative geographical position to Aotearoa.
    In Oregon cannabis is legal for both medical and recreational use, while in New Zealand voters are preparing for a referendum in September.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CCz12jQD0l6/
    I would not compare ourselves with Oregon .
    Cannabis grows well here.
    I walk into homes with the pungent smell ,doped parents and neglected kids .
    I despair when posters here talk about the healthiest way of getting a high or try to justify the medical benefits of recreational cannabis .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish View Post
    I would not compare ourselves with Oregon .
    Cannabis grows well here.
    I walk into homes with the pungent smell ,doped parents and neglected kids .
    I despair when posters here talk about the healthiest way of getting a high or try to justify the medical benefits of recreational cannabis .
    What do you think is the right way to deal with the issue, given you clearly don't like the current outcomes? Harsher punishments, more education, more police funding?

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    "Unlike a joint or bong, vaporizers heat cannabis to temperatures that release cannabinoids – the good stuff secreted by cannabis flowers that get you high and provide relief to an array of symptomsincluding pain, nausea, anxiety, and inflammation—in a fine mist without creating the toxins associated with combustion.Why Vaping Weed Is Healthier Than Smoking It, According To ...volteface.me › feature › vaping-weed-healthier-smokin...

    Whereas e cigarettes with flavours, additives, tobacco are causing serious harm and killing people as is synthesised grass killed what 40 kiwis in a very short time.
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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/can...t-legalised-it

    Cannabis referendum: What happened in other places that legalised it?
    In California most black-market cannabis is sold in-state, and business is booming. There are three times more black market sellers than regulated distributors, and state taxes generated from cannabis were barely half of the initial estimates.
    A major reason appears to be high taxes. An aggregate tax of 45 per cent in California sent prices sky-high and allowed for a thriving black market to undercut retail prices by dramatic margins.
    It’s a careful balance which lawmakers in New Zealand will have to negotiate. The ability to draw tax revenue on cannabis sales is often cited as a benefit of legalisation by supporters of reform, but it can easily backfire if taxes end up too high.

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    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...bis-views.html
    Helen Clark said the reason cannabis became illegal in the first place, while tobacco and alcohol didn't, was because the latter were in widespread use in "powerful Western societies", while cannabis was more popular in other parts of the world.
    "It was easy for the powerful western societies to say ' just ignore those, they're widespread - but cannabis go on the list of everything else as a bad thing to do'. It's ridiculous... It's been used by humans forever and a day, but it wasn't used in an upfront way in Western society."

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