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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    Where on earth do you get your information? Are you seriously saying synthetic cannabis is predominantly used by the homeless? That is absolute nonsense. You seem to just pluck this stuff out of thin air, not unlike a certain President.

    There are no guarantees that legalising cannabis will reduce anything. What happens in one country won’t necessarily happen in another. Until it actually happens here, nobody knows how it will pan out. The illegal dealers will still be around - just dealing in other drugs. The proposed rules will be impossible to monitor so easily broken. I think your expectations of huge positive impacts, are unfounded.

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    Dont you read the news, a spate of deaths in double figures many of them homeless. If they can access some cannabis from a controlled licensed place thats a much better outcome for them. Synth,its a poverty drug.

    "The first deaths from synthetic cannabis were men living rough.Syn city: NZ's deadly designer drugs crisis | Stuff.co.nz

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    A bit of light relief for this thread
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    For clarity, nothing I say is advice....

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    Lol i remember that very catchy song hit way back "pass the dutchie to the left hand side" but never understood the meaning. cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Anyone know where medicinal cannabis fits into Little's proposal?
    I would like to know the answer to that as well FP.
    I am all for use for medical use and indeed have someone in my family that would benefit hugely from it but I am certainly against the general use per se.
    It wont matter what rules you put in place, they will generally be ignored so it will be just another drug generally available to cause mayhem in so many families.

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    "Mayhem " wow,just a little bit of misinformation there. Alcohol ;sure as it turns many people violent in excess not marijuana its a peaceful drug.

    Mayhem "violent or extreme disorder, chaos""maliciously harming or injuring someone". That fits alcohol bingeing for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Legallising removes the illegal dealers and gangs selling the stuff in tinny houses's. And more importantly deals to synthetic cannabis which has killed how many people?.But thats not on your radar because they were just homeless people ?
    Of course illegal supply won't be removed. Because it will be much cheaper, as it doesn't have to be tested against who knows what, vetted, audited, ids checked and probably entered into a national database managed by the police and SAP, rent and salaries paid, not to mention tax.

    It's not like weed is hard to get now, and the police are not interested in personal use anyway.

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    Thats right est what 350,000 users atm from ALL walks of life use it largely responsibly, agree with your last line.As always some people will want a quality vetted product with multiple varieties and strengths, some people will buy on the black market, pricedriven. The horse has bolted and we can learn from overseas and have the best model for kiwis to relax with it

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    • "12% of New Zealanders used cannabis in the past 12 months (Health Survey)
    • By the age of 21, 80% of New Zealanders have tried cannabis at least once. And 10% developed a pattern of heavy use (Dunedin and Christchurch Longitudinal Studies)."

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    Mr Joshua tree...
    Is this how you got the tree in your name...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddles View Post
    The referendum will be a non-binding, yes or no question.

    If endorsed by the public the legislation will:


    • Legalise personal use and purchase for 20+
    • Only allow sale at a licensed premises
    • Only allow consumption as a licensed premises or private property
    • Will allow limited home growing
    • Ban all advertising for cannabis products


    It's a start I guess, but I am disappointed that it's not binding as we where promised. There is no point in wasting tax payers money with non-binding referendums.
    I think all consumption should be on licensed premises under actual control of a licensee only.
    Home growing should require a permit or licence.
    The same regulations should apply to consumption of alcohol over a certain proof level too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrewd Crude View Post
    Mr Joshua tree...
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    Got something to debate ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    I think all consumption should be on licensed premises under actual control of a licensee only.
    Home growing should require a permit or licence.
    The same regulations should apply to consumption of alcohol over a certain proof level too.
    Agree about the alcohol, great idea.
    Are you suggesting people can smoke cigarettes (a proven killer) in their home but not smoke or eat cannabis for recreational purposes? Why.

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    Looking forward to growing my Four plants, perhaps if started them now they would be ready for a celebratory toke on election night. Although sadly the reefer endum will probably go no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro.nz View Post
    I would like to know the answer to that as well FP.
    I am all for use for medical use and indeed have someone in my family that would benefit hugely from it but I am certainly against the general use per se.
    It wont matter what rules you put in place, they will generally be ignored so it will be just another drug generally available to cause mayhem in so many families.
    But it is already available and used now, by all those interested in it. The law change just means it can be be bought in less shady places than it currently is, so those buying it are not sucked into the murky world of shady dealers.

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    Yes indeed .Just spotted this in todays stuff

    I lived next door to a tinnie house

    " you're wondering, no, I wasn't one of their customers. But I saw the people who were buying the illegal drugs. They were all of us, everyday Kiwis.

    Mums in mini vans with kids in the back, wealthy men in expensive sports cars, young guys in boy racer cars, young women on a girls night out, workers in high-vis gear on their way home, office workers in suits, motorcyclists, skateboarders and walk-ins.
    I lived next door to a tinnie house "

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