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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Legallising removes the illegal dealers and gangs selling the stuff in tinny houses's. And more importantly deals to synthetic cannabis which has killed how many people?.But thats not on your radar because they were just homeless people ?
    Of course illegal supply won't be removed. Because it will be much cheaper, as it doesn't have to be tested against who knows what, vetted, audited, ids checked and probably entered into a national database managed by the police and SAP, rent and salaries paid, not to mention tax.

    It's not like weed is hard to get now, and the police are not interested in personal use anyway.

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    Thats right est what 350,000 users atm from ALL walks of life use it largely responsibly, agree with your last line.As always some people will want a quality vetted product with multiple varieties and strengths, some people will buy on the black market, pricedriven. The horse has bolted and we can learn from overseas and have the best model for kiwis to relax with it

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    • "12% of New Zealanders used cannabis in the past 12 months (Health Survey)
    • By the age of 21, 80% of New Zealanders have tried cannabis at least once. And 10% developed a pattern of heavy use (Dunedin and Christchurch Longitudinal Studies)."

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    Mr Joshua tree...
    Is this how you got the tree in your name...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddles View Post
    The referendum will be a non-binding, yes or no question.

    If endorsed by the public the legislation will:


    • Legalise personal use and purchase for 20+
    • Only allow sale at a licensed premises
    • Only allow consumption as a licensed premises or private property
    • Will allow limited home growing
    • Ban all advertising for cannabis products


    It's a start I guess, but I am disappointed that it's not binding as we where promised. There is no point in wasting tax payers money with non-binding referendums.
    I think all consumption should be on licensed premises under actual control of a licensee only.
    Home growing should require a permit or licence.
    The same regulations should apply to consumption of alcohol over a certain proof level too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrewd Crude View Post
    Mr Joshua tree...
    Is this how you got the tree in your name...
    Got something to debate ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    I think all consumption should be on licensed premises under actual control of a licensee only.
    Home growing should require a permit or licence.
    The same regulations should apply to consumption of alcohol over a certain proof level too.
    Agree about the alcohol, great idea.
    Are you suggesting people can smoke cigarettes (a proven killer) in their home but not smoke or eat cannabis for recreational purposes? Why.

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    Looking forward to growing my Four plants, perhaps if started them now they would be ready for a celebratory toke on election night. Although sadly the reefer endum will probably go no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro.nz View Post
    I would like to know the answer to that as well FP.
    I am all for use for medical use and indeed have someone in my family that would benefit hugely from it but I am certainly against the general use per se.
    It wont matter what rules you put in place, they will generally be ignored so it will be just another drug generally available to cause mayhem in so many families.
    But it is already available and used now, by all those interested in it. The law change just means it can be be bought in less shady places than it currently is, so those buying it are not sucked into the murky world of shady dealers.

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    Yes indeed .Just spotted this in todays stuff

    I lived next door to a tinnie house

    " you're wondering, no, I wasn't one of their customers. But I saw the people who were buying the illegal drugs. They were all of us, everyday Kiwis.

    Mums in mini vans with kids in the back, wealthy men in expensive sports cars, young guys in boy racer cars, young women on a girls night out, workers in high-vis gear on their way home, office workers in suits, motorcyclists, skateboarders and walk-ins.
    I lived next door to a tinnie house "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Agree about the alcohol, great idea.
    Are you suggesting people can smoke cigarettes (a proven killer) in their home but not smoke or eat cannabis for recreational purposes? Why.
    A good point as to where the lines should be drawn.

    I asked myself what should be the test: Would a car driver who had been smoking a lot of tobacco be less able to drive safely and more likely to cause harm to another?

    However Would a tobacco smoker be more likely to cause a third party death? Then we come to passive smoking...So those living alone, could smoke at home but not those who have a family?

    Then we have the problem of added sugar to food and how many health issues that could cause.....should we be free to give our families a refined sugar laden diet? We can cause unintentional harm to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    A good point as to where the lines should be drawn.

    I asked myself what should be the test: Would a car driver who had been smoking a lot of tobacco be less able to drive safely and more likely to cause harm to another?

    However Would a tobacco smoker be more likely to cause a third party death? Then we come to passive smoking...So those living alone, could smoke at home but not those who have a family?


    Then we have the problem of added sugar to food and how many health issues that could cause.....should we be free to give our families a refined sugar laden diet? We can cause unintentional harm to others.
    once the state starts to tell you what to do there is no bloody end to it !

    (and its not like I am an ACT supporter)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratkin View Post
    But it is already available and used now, by all those interested in it. The law change just means it can be be bought in less shady places than it currently is, so those buying it are not sucked into the murky world of shady dealers.
    Technically true but not an easy process - Ministry of Health website states...
    Medicinal cannabis products, excluding cannabidiol (CBD) products, are Class B1 controlled drugs and Ministerial approval is required before most can be prescribed, supplied or administered, in accordance with regulation 22 of the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 1977.

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    Let's stop 320,000 people breaking the law on cannabis every day

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117...abis-every-day
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    Ludicrous isn't it.And as for bennett holding up her 14 gram back of herbs she is ludicrous too. When cigarette smokers buy a pouch of rolling tobacco(is it 28gm?) they buy it to last a certain time so they dont have to go back every day.When i buy some oregano i expect enough to last many meals not one or two.


    "OPINION:
    The Government's approach to legalising personal cannabis use would provide many opportunities for new businesses, boost tax revenue, and deliver quality standards in a safer and more open environment. As the proposed legislation's name suggests, it would also deliver control, disrupting a large underground scene which currently has none.https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117...abis-every-day

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    Quote Originally Posted by peat View Post
    Your assuming I donít live alone. And even with four ...barely enough imo. I mean if itís legal, why put such a tight limit on it.
    I think itís a shill to the corporates so as to prevent too much homegrown undercutting the Business side of things.

    Those people questioning enforceability, that is not the role of legislation, itís pretty common to see people driving while using their phone etc etc.
    I wouldn't be worried, you can easily grow a kilo of flowers on 1 plant. The only thing is this is limiting your variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Ludicrous isn't it.And as for bennett holding up her 14 gram back of herbs she is ludicrous too. When cigarette smokers buy a pouch of rolling tobacco(is it 28gm?) they buy it to last a certain time so they dont have to go back every day.When i buy some oregano i expect enough to last many meals not one or two.


    "OPINION:
    The Government's approach to legalising personal cannabis use would provide many opportunities for new businesses, boost tax revenue, and deliver quality standards in a safer and more open environment. As the proposed legislation's name suggests, it would also deliver control, disrupting a large underground scene which currently has none.https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117...abis-every-day
    Joshua,
    No they dont buy it to last a certsin time...
    You would find many if not most people would buy small amounts of cigs but the way its marketed and packaged the user is locked into 30grams and 50grams and 20 cigs at once ..
    Why not 5 cig or 5 grams at once?...
    Because its all designed to keep the smoker smoking !

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    When I was living in the Netherlands there were never any marijuana problems, most dutch kids were very level headed and it was more the tourists that were using. People coming to the country for the weekend just so they could get wasted without having to worry about the police etc. It was all very civilised

    The fear that legalising will create a whole load of new chronic users is pretty far fetched and is just an opinion formed out of ignorance. Sadly the ignorant are allowed to vote, which as they found out with brexit means that a referendum is not always the best way to reach a decision.

    The fear that it will create more mental health problems possibly has an element of truth to it, but only in those already suffering from mental health issues. Sadly though most of those that are inclined towards drug use are using crystal meth or other substances far more harmful than marijuana. Plus those that want to use Marijuana are already doing it anyway.

    Some see Marijuana as a gateway drug and argue that starting to use Marijuana will some how lead the user to becoming a heroin or meth addict. In the past this tended to happen to some, but only because being forced to buy from drug dealers exposed them to the whole murky world of the drug culture, where a big part of the attraction was being part of an illegal, seemingly exciting counter culture, that to many young people starts out as something exciting, but ends in a slippery slope of criminality and harder drugs.

    Legalising in many ways takes away that fun sense of doing something elicit and daring that many young people are drawn towards. This is probably the reason the average dutch kid pretty much showed no interest in it.

    Should they have just decriminalised instead of leagalise? The problem with just decriminalising is it still leaves the problem of the drug dealers, it protects your average user from convictions, but does not protect them from coming into contact with real criminals who may well try and encourage them into harder stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratkin View Post
    When I was living in the Netherlands there were never any marijuana problems, most dutch kids were very level headed and it was more the tourists that were using. People coming to the country for the weekend just so they could get wasted without having to worry about the police etc. It was all very civilised

    The fear that legalising will create a whole load of new chronic users is pretty far fetched and is just an opinion formed out of ignorance. Sadly the ignorant are allowed to vote, which as they found out with brexit means that a referendum is not always the best way to reach a decision.
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    Many continental Europeans have a more sensible attitude to alcohol too.

    Tobacco and Alcohol are legal and they have many chronic users to the cost of us all. Why would Mary Jane be any different?

    What has Brexit got to do with it? The fault there was not with democracy or the electorate but with the UK Conservative government and parliament in allowing such an ill-prepared referendum without an implementation plan. The supposed elite were ignorant.
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    The good old "Democracy is working, as long as people vote for what I want". You guys call others ignorant...

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