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13-07-2020, 07:47 PM
#431
Member
Originally Posted by GTM 3442
Thank you Carpenterjoe.
So it's basically a case of production exceeding demand in a scenario where production can't be controlled.
If I remember correctly, in that scenario, Germany sends the surplus to Norway who do indeed pump water uphill.
Pretty much, Also the oblivious situation when a margin can be made on the difference in peak prices.
In Australia my
Standard rate is .1379510 per KWH
Peak usage is .2955920 per KWH
Daily supply charge of .902 per day
I'm sure I could get cheaper rates, but we do not consume enough to justify the time to re negotiate every few years.
Iceman, solar calculations can be difficult and depends on what you supplier is willing to pay you. If solar was installed at the unit i rent, I could set the battery software up to export a certain % at peak and leave enough to run the household during peak. Then consume cheaper off peak and re charge during off peak. No point exporting during off peak unless you have excess and Do not forget to apply a standard electricity appreciation value.
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14-07-2020, 06:53 AM
#432
Originally Posted by Carpenterjoe
Pretty much, Also the oblivious situation when a margin can be made on the difference in peak prices.
In Australia my
Standard rate is .1379510 per KWH
Peak usage is .2955920 per KWH
Daily supply charge of .902 per day
I'm sure I could get cheaper rates, but we do not consume enough to justify the time to re negotiate every few years.
Iceman, solar calculations can be difficult and depends on what you supplier is willing to pay you. If solar was installed at the unit i rent, I could set the battery software up to export a certain % at peak and leave enough to run the household during peak. Then consume cheaper off peak and re charge during off peak. No point exporting during off peak unless you have excess and Do not forget to apply a standard electricity appreciation value.
Thank you for the info
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14-07-2020, 11:00 AM
#433
Originally Posted by Ogg
Ironic how the graphic illustration of what a Tesla Gigafactory could look like at Tiwai Pt has solar panels on the roof
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14-07-2020, 11:07 AM
#434
Originally Posted by bung5
Ironic how the graphic illustration of what a Tesla Gigafactory could look like at Tiwai Pt has solar panels on the roof
Southland not known for its sunshine......although long summer twilights....
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14-07-2020, 11:16 AM
#435
Got chatting to my cousin who lives in Southland on the weekend.
The sense down there is things will be grim. Not far as the crow flies from Manopouri power station to Bluff he said. Not sure why commonsense on transmission pricing couldn't have prevailed.
Academics with their fancy conceptual theories on transmission pricing have played a major part in sinking this, is what he suggested, (pretty bright guy with thousands of hectares of farm land growing all sorts of things in Southland).
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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16-07-2020, 01:03 PM
#436
ardern understood Rio Tinto was still in talks with Meridian Energy and the timing of those commercial talks would assist the Government in the timeframe it needed to support the region
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122...n-in-southland
slither of hope for an extension to closure date , would be a good outcome for all i reckon. i brought mcy recently
Last edited by bull....; 16-07-2020 at 01:04 PM.
one step ahead of the herd
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16-07-2020, 01:12 PM
#437
Member
Originally Posted by Beagle
Got chatting to my cousin who lives in Southland on the weekend.
The sense down there is things will be grim. Not far as the crow flies from Manopouri power station to Bluff he said. Not sure why commonsense on transmission pricing couldn't have prevailed.
Academics with their fancy conceptual theories on transmission pricing have played a major part in sinking this, is what he suggested, (pretty bright guy with thousands of hectares of farm land growing all sorts of things in Southland).
The relief that the power companies have provided in this round of negotiations for Rio Tinto far exceed any discounting they requested in terms of transmission pricing. To me this seems less about the cost of power/transmission and more about the world aluminium price and long term viability. A big company decision. Although they could be playing games and just trying to extract that last $5-10 million.
Last edited by k14; 16-07-2020 at 05:37 PM.
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16-07-2020, 04:16 PM
#438
Originally Posted by bull....
ardern understood Rio Tinto was still in talks with Meridian Energy and the timing of those commercial talks would assist the Government in the timeframe it needed to support the region
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122...n-in-southland
slither of hope for an extension to closure date , would be a good outcome for all i reckon. i brought mcy recently
MCY looks good buying at 4.55-just bought a pile at that price .
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18-07-2020, 09:18 AM
#439
Would we see Mel writes off Manapouri Powe station because of smelter closing?
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18-07-2020, 07:21 PM
#440
Retail investors still hold alot in this sector but I wonder how much is trickling into overseas ownership.
For contact (CEN) according to simplywst:
JP Morgan chase 7%
Blackrock 5%
Vangaurd 5%
AusSuper 2.5%
Norges Bank 1.5%
UBS 0.7%
If it is possible to do now, then it will only increase esp with the prevalence of cheap money in other places in the world.
On the way is more trillions in stimulus in the US as covid takes hold is even more robinhood newbies piling in through the above institutions.
Last edited by Panda-NZ-; 19-07-2020 at 02:36 PM.
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