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    Default 2020 yearly stock picking competition

    I think it is time to think to the future.

    After this year, i believe the rules require reflection.

    the 2019 rules at beginning of the year were :

    1 - no stocks under 1c will be accepted.
    2 - Dividends will be added to return.
    3 - 5 stock picks only.
    4 - no options etc.
    5 - each stock pick will have a weighting of $10,000 (20% of portfolio)... ($50,000 in total for portfolio)...
    so performance can be posted in percentage returns, and/or $ returns.
    6 - entries close before the open on Monday 14th January 2019.
    7 - entry price is the higher of the first-traded price from the day following you posting your selections and the first traded price
    on the first trading day of the year. This discourages late comers from optimising their entry price during the 2 week grace period.
    8 - if one of your picks hasnít listed or is in suspension at the start of year we will just take the first traded price on the day that it lists or comes out of suspension.
    9 - takeovers will result in a new pick to the contestant, at the adjusted rate.
    10. at any time a ticker may be converted to cash but must be bought back into before the end of the year - same ticker.
    if in cash when suspended or taken over or otherwise unavailable by year end : cash. may not be swapped for another ticker

    I am suggesting this change to the rules :


    1 - no stocks under 1c will be accepted.
    2 - Dividends will be added to return.
    3 - 5 stock picks only.
    4 - no options etc.
    5 - each stock pick will have a weighting of $10,000 (20% of portfolio)... ($50,000 in total for portfolio)...
    so performance can be posted in percentage returns, and/or $ returns.
    6 - entries close before midnight on Wednesday 1st January 2020 Australian time , preferably before.
    7 - entry price is the higher of the first-traded price from the day following you posting your selections and the first traded price
    on the first trading day of the year, 2020. This discourages late comers from optimising their entry price. ANY grace period be requested BEFORE 2020 by post on the competition page.
    8 - if one of your picks hasnít listed or is in suspension at the start of year we will just take the first traded price on the day that it lists or comes out of suspension.
    9 - takeovers will result in a new pick to the contestant, at the adjusted rate.
    10. at any time a ticker may be converted to cash but must be bought back into before the end of the year - same ticker.
    if in cash when suspended or taken over or otherwise unavailable by year end : cash. may not be swapped for another ticker
    11. if for some reason the ticker selected becomes unavailable or in error and the trader does not select another, then the next alphabetically available ticker be substituted to make up 5 valid tickers.

    These are ideas for discussion.

    i am unsure of jennym's availability for this.

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    Sounds fine to me
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    I think so too. Total confidence in you.

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    Fine with me also, and really appreciate you taking this on again next year - I am sure you must spend countless hours working on this - many thanks

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    Yes whatever is less time.I wouldn't care if divs weren't added for ex.

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    Sounds good

    If it's easier for you I'd suggest simplifying the start price to be either 'close on last trading day of year' or 'first trade of year' no matter when selection was made.

    The first trade after posting option seems like it just adds complications

    What ever makes it simplest and most enjoyable for you gets my thumbs up!

    Great comp even when my picks have me battling it out in Shrewdy's neck of the woods!

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    There's also an option that sub 1c shares could be traded but with a minimum buy in price of 1c. So 10k on a 0.5c stock would only buy 1000000 shares.

    Only thought of that one as last year I almost got caught out when my 1c stock dipped below threshold prior to opening and created confusion (for me at least)
    Last edited by t.rexjr; 30-10-2019 at 08:31 AM.

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    yes I would go for a simpler opening price - first traded price on first day of trading

    if not in by that date bad luck you are out - plenty of notice given

    Don't mind either way re dividends if easier leave them out
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    Sounds good, prefer dividends in but as this is a share trader not a share investor site I will be happy with whatever the doers do as I am not willing to do anything myself.

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    Think there are at least as many investors as traders. I for one have held four of my picks most of the year and the fifth one i bought just a little later.

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    Iíd be very surprised if an ASX dividend or not was the difference to doing well in the comp... from history as. one needs least one pick to boom 100%+ now dividends not much yield on the ASX think 9% is about as high as your find

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.rexjr View Post
    There's also an option that sub 1c shares could be traded but with a minimum buy in price of 1c. So 10k on a 0.5c stock would only buy 1000000 shares.

    Only thought of that one as last year I almost got caught out when my 1c stock dipped below threshold prior to opening and created confusion (for me at least)

    i do not know why this is a rule other than it was a rule before i started helping out and it was carried forward - does anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Sounds good, prefer dividends in but as this is a share trader not a share investor site I will be happy with whatever the doers do as I am not willing to do anything myself.

    dividends are put in - at end of year - occasionally mid year - the only real problem is collecting them manually - 300+ dividends manually hence done once or twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    yes I would go for a simpler opening price - first traded price on first day of trading

    if not in by that date bad luck you are out - plenty of notice given

    Don't mind either way re dividends if easier leave them out
    if rule 11 then that is when the grace period is usually given - 1 / 2 days to correct or next alphabetic ticker given - BUT rule 11 has NOT YET been included - these are a SUGGESTION for discussion 2 months before end of year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Sounds good, prefer dividends in but as this is a share trader not a share investor site I will be happy with whatever the doers do as I am not willing to do anything myself.

    divs are in - ref prior comment
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