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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    That article is pure and simple click bait from Stuff.
    A screaming inaccurate headline on a Hot button issue.
    The Landord with a dozen properties was well experienced and his two 2017 tribunal cases ended with sizeable payouts for himself. He admitted he stopped regularly inspections and with his portfolio of properties, why didn't he get an agent in to help?
    He claimed there were $25,000 in damages yet he applied only for $5040. Why only claim that if his recent cases gave him sizeable payouts?

    He did not just get $50 he got the bond as well. The article is click bait. An accurate headline would not have drawn in as many clicks.

    The Tenancy Tribunal decision has been posted online - 4214273. It is very detailed.

    Sizeable payouts in 2017 cases? For rent owed, rubbish removal and damage. I suppose there are different definitions of sizeable. Tenant could have paid the rent and cleaned up on vacating. $350 allowed for rubbish removal. That's a fair bit of rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    The Tenancy Tribunal decision has been posted online - 4214273. It is very detailed.

    Sizeable payouts in 2017 cases? For rent owed, rubbish removal and damage. I suppose there are different definitions of sizeable. Tenant could have paid the rent and cleaned up on vacating. $350 allowed for rubbish removal. That's a fair bit of rubbish.
    9 cubic meter skip bin hire, (about par for when each of my kids moved out of the flat), but no allowance for the many hours of hard physical labour cleaning the flat and filling up the skip bin.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12286373
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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    The Tenancy Tribunal decision has been posted online - 4214273. It is very detailed.

    Sizeable payouts in 2017 cases? For rent owed, rubbish removal and damage. I suppose there are different definitions of sizeable. Tenant could have paid the rent and cleaned up on vacating. $350 allowed for rubbish removal. That's a fair bit of rubbish.
    Sizable was the journalist’s word. According to the report he had been aware of the damage for some time. He did not take photos when the tenancy commenced and did not have a record of inspections. Did he not claim what he thought was the full cost of damage, because the flat needed refurbishment and he was going to renovate the property anyway? He stated he was going to renovate the bathroom and kitchen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    9 cubic meter skip bin hire, (about par for when each of my kids moved out of the flat), but no allowance for the many hours of hard physical labour cleaning the flat and filling up the skip bin.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12286373
    Hi Beagle, yes agree about rubbish removal, but I was responding to bjauck referring to a previous (2017) Tenancy Tribunal decision for the same landlord, different property. Bjauck reckoned the landlord got a sizeable ** payout from the tenant. I thought it was modest in the circs - adjudicator awarded the landlord $350 for removing a trailer and ute load of rubbish left behind. The TT usually allows $25 ph for a landlord, more for an itemised invoice from a third party. $25 ph is not much for what is often a mucky job.That the tenant should have dealt with.

    ** Ok I see it was the journalist who has a weird idea of sizeable.
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    Yeah I couldn't agree more artemis. $25 an hour isn't much these days.
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    Evicted a tenant last year and took 2 trailer loads of their rubbish and "returned" it to them at their new place. Wouldn't really recommend it as standard operating practice but it sure was more satisfying than going back to the tenancy tribunal. At TT (which is actually quite a reasonable system) it takes up so much time, you get a judgement and then more than likely you will need to enforce it through the courts if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Evicted a tenant last year and took 2 trailer loads of their rubbish and "returned" it to them at their new place. Wouldn't really recommend it as standard operating practice but it sure was more satisfying than going back to the tenancy tribunal. At TT (which is actually quite a reasonable system) it takes up so much time, you get a judgement and then more than likely you will need to enforce it through the courts if you can.
    Heh, you should have applied for some of their bond for your time and petrol.

    The Ministry of Justice has processes to recover debts through their collections unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    Heh, you should have applied for some of their bond for your time and petrol.

    The Ministry of Justice has processes to recover debts through their collections unit.
    Already had been to TT and got the bond (didn't cover the missed rent of course), got an order for eviction, got a bailiff, got them out .... then the clean up. I've taken a couple of tenants to court and that can work if you have good info on them and where they work or a work and income number. But if you don't and they don't show up, good luck getting anything out of them and all the time it is costing you time and money.

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    MoJ can often help with addresses etc if there is a TT order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    MoJ can often help with addresses etc if there is a TT order.
    Depending on what's owing, what info you have, and how you are feeling on the day, I guess its a personal judgement call whether you'd rather go through the courts or prefer to return the rubbish and let it go at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Evicted a tenant last year and took 2 trailer loads of their rubbish and "returned" it to them at their new place. Wouldn't really recommend it as standard operating practice but it sure was more satisfying than going back to the tenancy tribunal. At TT (which is actually quite a reasonable system) it takes up so much time, you get a judgement and then more than likely you will need to enforce it through the courts if you can.
    LOL now that's what I call restorative justice !
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    O to be rid of the landlord - A Christmas Carol?
    Inherited Wealth/Inherited Poverty - NZ is on its way to becoming a version of Dickensian Britain?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118...ir-wealth-down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    O to be rid of the landlord - A Christmas Carol?
    Inherited Wealth/Inherited Poverty - NZ is on its way to becoming a version of Dickensian Britain?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118...ir-wealth-down
    Teenager saves $30000 by age 18 and all people are interested in is he got a loan from father instead of a bank. I think this says all about the society bashing successful and hard working...

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    Quote Originally Posted by peetter View Post
    Teenager saves $30000 by age 18 and all people are interested in is he got a loan from father instead of a bank. I think this says all about the society bashing successful and hard working...
    Sure good on him for saving $30,000, especially if he had expensive living expenses whilst trying to save. Lucky him to have a landowning family with a spare house to sell so that he did not have borrow from a bank. As the pun goes, he is to the manor born, with a silver spoon!
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    I'd bet you overwhelming majority of those people shaming him for getting money from father and having all expenses paid by parents, has been in exactly the same situation between 16-18yo. That means their parents paid for everything. It's just an excuse for laziness and bad decisions. It's always the rich people causing poor people being poor .

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    Quote Originally Posted by peetter View Post
    I'd bet you overwhelming majority of those people shaming him for getting money from father and having all expenses paid by parents, has been in exactly the same situation between 16-18yo. That means their parents paid for everything. It's just an excuse for laziness and bad decisions. It's always the rich people causing poor people being poor .
    Shaming him? No. He is showing a precocious maturity of action for his age.

    It is a shame that that more and more people are being priced out of the ability to access tax-efficient home ownership though. And they are not all lazy! It is just a fact of life in today’s NZ that the rich (especially the land rich) are getting richer and the poor, poorer. It is the result of excessive inflation in asset prices and in part the tax system heavily relying on Income tax and GST.

    How many families looking for a stable home are unable to raise the required deposit and have missed out buying a home as young single people with no need to get a commercial mortgage after being given or loaned a large inheritance from families? Just something to cogitate.

    The trend has been for Many more families to end up at the mercy of the NZ rental market and landlords.

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    I see your point regarding the prices,taxes etc. It may be getting harder to get the deposit. However from my experience anyone who wants to, will be able to get the deposit in NZ. It's just a matter of life decisions, time and some work.

    I think enough was said on the topic. It just makes my blood boil when I see articles like this and comments under them.

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    Getting a deposit is not that easy these days, but it can be done for many households if they take a longer time frame, make decisions according to their plan, and Kiwisaver.

    For the year ended June 2018, households spent an average of $16.30 of every $100 of their household income on housing costs. This is relatively unchanged from the $16 they spent in 2008. Stats NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    Getting a deposit is not that easy these days, but it can be done for many households if they take a longer time frame, make decisions according to their plan, and Kiwisaver.

    For the year ended June 2018, households spent an average of $16.30 of every $100 of their household income on housing costs. This is relatively unchanged from the $16 they spent in 2008. Stats NZ.
    It is not wise to use your pension fund. After all it should be kept for retirement!

    How about a 5% stamp duty on purchases of second and subsequent homes (exemption only for the owner-occupier's principal residence) and using the proceeds to give all kiwsavers an extra annual credit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    It is not wise to use your pension fund. After all it should be kept for retirement!

    How about a 5% stamp duty on purchases of second and subsequent homes (exemption only for the owner-occupier's principal residence) and using the proceeds to give all kiwsavers an extra annual credit?
    The NZ gov't is more concerned about protecting NZ real estate than KiwiSaver as it's clear both asset classes have different tax treatments. A 5% stamp duty would more equitable but that would not address the housing shortage. There is certainly not an investment shortage in various corporations around the world. Yet, Kiwi Saver funds are taxed annually in the same manner as running a business.

    No matter how difficult the landlord vs tenancy tribunal can be, i'm not expecting any rush of landlords fleeing from owning properties and rushing into equities. Just consider the alternative? What better alternative?

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