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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...WNSLBZ3S2Y34U/

    More revelations of the shambles at MIQ.

    But everyone, please be kind and considerate to Clueless Cindy & her team of Incompetents.

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...2EXCK36X6GO4I/

    A government of lies, cover-ups and incompetence putting the whole of NZ at risk - be afraid, be very very afraid.

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    Trust Clueless Cindy to protect NZ from further outbreaks of the virus?

    A managed isolation security guard who tested positive for Covid-19 is thought to have received his last test for the virus in November.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...since-november

    Tremain on Wednesday said it was not known how many workers had been missed in the needed surveillance testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Trust Clueless Cindy to protect NZ from further outbreaks of the virus?

    A managed isolation security guard who tested positive for Covid-19 is thought to have received his last test for the virus in November.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...since-november

    Tremain on Wednesday said it was not known how many workers had been missed in the needed surveillance testing.
    Clearly - these are lots of inexcusable mistakes. A frontline worker not tested for 6 months and nobody noticing - this points to absolutely incompetent or ignorant leadership and a reckless and dumb workforce. Give the management team a good hiding and fire the workers - it should be the individuals responsibility to identify the need for being tested and vaccinated. Idiots all over the place. No doubt our current political leadership needs to take some responsibility as well.

    "She'll be right" and "number eight mentality" is clearly visible all over the place, but this has nothing to do with the current set of incompetents running the show, it seem to be just the way Kiwis like to run things ...

    Not sure, though whether it helps to make out of every hiccup a anti Cindy post. The question I would ask is whether the bunch of incompetents who run the show prior to Cindy would have done any better? Remember - they could not even select a decent set of MP's and have been mainly busy with destroying their leadership of the day? How do you think they would have been able to run a government? If you think they acted any better in a crisis - ask the people of Christchurch or just visit the town 10 years after the earthquake.

    If I may borrow from Churchills famous saying about democracy:

    Our current government is clearly the worst of all governments ... with the exception of every other existing government.

    Clearly - there are issues and lets keep to point them out. Talk with your MP and push for improvements. However - just flogging one person you choose to crusade against without any constructive proposals and without any credible alternative is just hollow. It does neither help to improve this government nor does it help to make NZ or anything else a better place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Clearly - these are lots of inexcusable mistakes. A frontline worker not tested for 6 months and nobody noticing - this points to absolutely incompetent or ignorant leadership and a reckless and dumb workforce. Give the management team a good hiding and fire the workers - it should be the individuals responsibility to identify the need for being tested and vaccinated. Idiots all over the place. No doubt our current political leadership needs to take some responsibility as well.

    "She'll be right" and "number eight mentality" is clearly visible all over the place, but this has nothing to do with the current set of incompetents running the show, it seem to be just the way Kiwis like to run things ...

    Not sure, though whether it helps to make out of every hiccup a anti Cindy post. The question I would ask is whether the bunch of incompetents who run the show prior to Cindy would have done any better? Remember - they could not even select a decent set of MP's and have been mainly busy with destroying their leadership of the day? How do you think they would have been able to run a government? If you think they acted any better in a crisis - ask the people of Christchurch or just visit the town 10 years after the earthquake.

    If I may borrow from Churchills famous saying about democracy:

    Our current government is clearly the worst of all governments ... with the exception of every other existing government.

    Clearly - there are issues and lets keep to point them out. Talk with your MP and push for improvements. However - just flogging one person you choose to crusade against without any constructive proposals and without any credible alternative is just hollow. It does neither help to improve this government nor does it help to make NZ or anything else a better place.
    Nobody could have run the post lockdown response as badly as Clueless Cindy & her team of incompetents - nobody.

    Why? Because they have blundered from one episode to another without learning anything to defend our borders & protect the so-called team of 5 million from the leakages so clearly evident from gross mismanagement.

    What is so difficult about keeping a register of all MIQ & frontline staff? Heck - just use the NH software which can track every treatment and test which an individual receives! How's that for a concrete proposal?

    And as a taxpayer & NZer, I fully expect any government of the day to be competent - especially when NZ has paid such a huge price during the lockdowns. It is not good enough to keep pointing fingers at the other party - what has that got to do with holding a government to account? The people of Christchurch are perfectly entitled to moan, complain, grizzle and take to task the inadequacies of the government of the day for failing them (as appropriate).

    Meanwhile, we have a government which has delivered on none of the huge promises it made to gain power and is stumbling from one episode of failure to another when managing the post lockdown covid response.

    And spending billions of dollars in the process to achieve bugger all.

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    Bumbling along in the vaccination roll-out with political correctness and BS more important than getting the vulnerables vaccinated asap :

    1. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...SYNR3PNFOKGCA/

    Otara vaccination centre - fully staffed & operating at lower than 50% capacity - because it is so important (according to the Maori MPs) to look after the welfare of Maoris and Pacific Islanders' who have been crying out for preferential access.

    Well, they have it and they are not using it - sounds familiar, doesn't it?

    1ZB sent a reporter there today and she was told she could have a jab even though she is not in any of the priority group!

    2. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...rplus-vaccines

    Over-supply of the vaccines to one location while there's shortages elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Bumbling along in the vaccination roll-out with political correctness and BS more important than getting the vulnerables vaccinated asap :

    1. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...SYNR3PNFOKGCA/

    Otara vaccination centre - fully staffed & operating at lower than 50% capacity - because it is so important (according to the Maori MPs) to look after the welfare of Maoris and Pacific Islanders' who have been crying out for preferential access.

    Well, they have it and they are not using it - sounds familiar, doesn't it?

    1ZB sent a reporter there today and she was told she could have a jab even though she is not in any of the priority group!

    2. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...rplus-vaccines

    Over-supply of the vaccines to one location while there's shortages elsewhere.
    I simply do not understand why this government has chosen to create a new vaccination system with no defined goals when we already have a system that works and could be implemented now.
    We appear to have over 300,000 vaccines in storage .
    Primarycare(mainly GP operated ) have the facilities,experience and computer systems to roll this out now.
    The ministry of Heath and DHB are struggling to devise a new system with inexperienced vaccinators in locations such as Townhalls .
    There is no way that this ill-conceived system will achieve the immunisation rate that a GP anchored system could achieve

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish View Post
    I simply do not understand why this government has chosen to create a new vaccination system with no defined goals when we already have a system that works and could be implemented now.
    We appear to have over 300,000 vaccines in storage .
    Primarycare(mainly GP operated ) have the facilities,experience and computer systems to roll this out now.
    The ministry of Heath and DHB are struggling to devise a new system with inexperienced vaccinators in locations such as Townhalls .
    There is no way that this ill-conceived system will achieve the immunisation rate that a GP anchored system could achieve
    Had the flu shot last night

    Medical Centre appointment 6.22pm - all jabbed 6.21pm .... but had to hang around for 20 minutes (but the timer seemed to speed up ha ha)
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    Alan Jones (Who I am well aware can be a prize pratt) spells out what could be heading our way too.

    What price are we willing to pay to reopen the border? You can be sure the things he speaks of will be proposed as part of reopening.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doACBwSrtOU

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Had the flu shot last night

    Appointment 6.22pm - all jabbed 6.21pm .... but had to hang around for 20 minutes (but the timer seemed to speed up ha ha)
    Good one, W69.

    Hope you are not one of the queue jumpers! Just joking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Had the flu shot last night

    Appointment 6.22pm - all jabbed 6.21pm .... but had to hang around for 20 minutes (but the timer seemed to speed up ha ha)
    In all probability .given at your GP surgery- so simple with arranging and documentation .
    Why they are not using this established and trusted service is simply beyond me .
    Covid immunisation is being held up as they are trying to create their own system .
    To create a new data base for Covid immunisation people are required to register online-a task many will find difficult and then later have to phone (a lot of waiting to get through when I booked) and arrange a time and place (lots of waiting for a colleague of mine-in his case it was given at a sports stadium ).
    I hold doubts that sufficient vaccine coverage will be achieved by excluding GP involvment of the roll-out
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    Anyone got Pfizer stock?

    What a nice little earner they are setting up.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/cov...CAA63HITYTMWA/

    Reminds me of Monsanto coming down here a few years ago saying we needed their GM modified seed for our agriculture or we would get left behind. Of course that also meant we would need their spray forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Anyone got Pfizer stock?

    What a nice little earner they are setting up.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/cov...CAA63HITYTMWA/

    Reminds me of Monsanto coming down here a few years ago saying we needed their GM modified seed for our agriculture or we would get left behind. Of course that also meant we would need their spray forever.
    I remain open minded to the concept that the major vaccine manufactures are looking for other ways to turn a profit from these low-priced vaccines, but I'm not sure that there is any evidence that paints a clear picture of this actually occurring on a deliberate basis.

    As for the Monsanto seed, presumably you're referring to the 'Roundup ready' variety that is resistant to Monsanto's Roundup branded herbicide. These seeds did not require an application of Roundup (nor any other type or brand of herbicide) to germinate the seed, you can in fact grow the seed successfully without applying any herbicide, however if you choose to spray for weeds using a broad-spectrum glyphosate herbicide such as Roundup, then plant is unlikely to be affected. Like many countries NZ also enjoys a selection of generic glyphosate based herbicides, which work equally well with the Monsanto supplied seed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    I remain open minded to the concept that the major vaccine manufactures are looking for other ways to turn a profit from these low-priced vaccines, but I'm not sure that there is any evidence that paints a clear picture of this actually occurring on a deliberate basis.

    As for the Monsanto seed, presumably you're referring to the 'Roundup ready' variety that is resistant to Monsanto's Roundup branded herbicide. These seeds did not require an application of Roundup (nor any other type or brand of herbicide) to germinate the seed, you can in fact grow the seed successfully without applying any herbicide, however if you choose to spray for weeds using a broad-spectrum glyphosate herbicide such as Roundup, then plant is unlikely to be affected. Like many countries NZ also enjoys a selection of generic glyphosate based herbicides, which work equally well with the Monsanto supplied seed.
    I won't even bother on the Monsanto stuff, but what makes you think the vaccines are low-priced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    I won't even bother on the Monsanto stuff, but what makes you think the vaccines are low-priced?
    Given the situation we collectively find ourselves in, these companies could certainly have hiked up the prices much further before risking nationalisation, removal of IP rights, or other measures by world governments. The long-term value of the IP
    created from the COVID vaccines are however likely to be worth significant sums for these companies.

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    New Zealand and Australia were Covid success stories. Why are they behind on vaccine rollouts?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/15/a...hnk/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    New Zealand and Australia were Covid success stories. Why are they behind on vaccine rollouts?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/15/a...hnk/index.html
    Simple - the longer the government can keep the Covid scare, the longer the sheep in NZ will be kept under their spell. Why vaccinate when you can simply do lockdowns?

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