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    Quote Originally Posted by alokdhir View Post
    Being kind to the employee while being cruel to the whole country ...If he didn't want to be vaccinated then he can be moved to non border position while he makes up his mind ...its not a joke to play with coronavirus and livelihoods of whole city people .

    I am sure it can be managed better with no risk to population at large as being the sole motive not being " KIND " to individuals ....
    Possibly. Of course, you can't make vaccination a condition of employment or force a vaccination.
    I don't know all the facts, and I suspect neither do you, so can't speak with any authority on what is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Possibly. Of course, you can't make vaccination a condition of employment or force a vaccination.
    I don't know all the facts, and I suspect neither do you, so can't speak with any authority on what is happening.
    Simple - no vaccination, no frontline duties.

    Cindy & you make it sound so freaking damn hard.

    And it had been known for weeks that some people from India were using false negative certificates to get into NZ but it has (as usual) taken an explosion of cases for Cindy, ever kind and ever so passionate, to act to ban flights from India.

    What a freaking joke this woman is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    If vulnerable sectors of the population (elderly, pre-existing health conditions etc) are vaccinated, what need is there for those under say 40 to be vaccinated? Why not just open up and let a herd immunity develop in the rest of the population. To my knowledge the only death in MIQ was non Covid related. Hundreds have had the virus in MIQ.
    Younger people can still be ill from Covid.

    With Pfizer it takes two weeks from the second dose of the full immunity to kick in. Even then it is about 92% effective for up to 6 months. So not a silver bullet and for how long is its efficacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    If vulnerable sectors of the population (elderly, pre-existing health conditions etc) are vaccinated, what need is there for those under say 40 to be vaccinated? Why not just open up and let a herd immunity develop in the rest of the population. To my knowledge the only death in MIQ was non Covid related. Hundreds have had the virus in MIQ.
    Just as well you aren't running the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alokdhir View Post
    What a joke we are turning out to be in the eyes of the world ....

    First priority was to vaccinate border workers ...we are supposed to have done that about a month back ...Now we get a case today working in MIQ hotel ...told by DHS that he was not yet vaccinated ...why not ? If just employed then why not first vaccinated then start working ....I just dont understand why we cant even get basics right .

    We are just plain lucky not smart governmence or smart officials that we dont have a big outbreak in our country
    We are one lucky country with such ineptitude .
    At the moment we have large amounts of vaccine in storage (?300,000 ) but still the mechanism of giving the vaccine to the high risk is faulty .
    Not only is the truth hidden-we were told all border workers had been vaccinated but they have not been giving the vaccine to those travelling overseas and likely to bring the virus back-eg those going to India to visit sick relatives .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish View Post
    We are one lucky country with such ineptitude .
    At the moment we have large amounts of vaccine in storage (?300,000 ) but still the mechanism of giving the vaccine to the high risk is faulty .
    Not only is the truth hidden-we were told all border workers had been vaccinated but they have not been giving the vaccine to those travelling overseas and likely to bring the virus back-eg those going to India to visit sick relatives .
    Almost all newzealanders are outraged with this guard case fiasco ...this case exposed the ways things are being done in our well managed country and our leaders lapping up praise from world for our almost normal life while 98% of the world is struggling .

    We are living in a fools paradise ...ignorance is bliss type happiness ...Fully agree we all think that we have secured are border contacts by vaccinating all of them ...as even a fool knows that it can take just one misstep there for a big outbreak ...so I dont accept 90% done or dont know how many left of our top man ...

    Two appointments missed ...He should not be allowed to work on border till he gets vaccinated ...period ...no ifs and buts and no need of kindness here ...its of vital importance for our safety

    We payed through our noses for most expensive vaccine deal ...its the most important duty of our leaders and officials to use them as efficiently as possible to get maximum benefit out of tax payers money spent on them .

    This kind of cowboy approach for such an important matter is just sacrilege and not fit for public office case IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by alokdhir View Post
    Almost all newzealanders are outraged with this guard case fiasco ...this case exposed the ways things are being done in our well managed country and our leaders lapping up praise from world for our almost normal life while 98% of the world is struggling .

    We are living in a fools paradise ...ignorance is bliss type happiness ...Fully agree we all think that we have secured are border contacts by vaccinating all of them ...as even a fool knows that it can take just one misstep there for a big outbreak ...so I dont accept 90% done or dont know how many left of our top man ...

    Two appointments missed ...He should not be allowed to work on border till he gets vaccinated ...period ...no ifs and buts and no need of kindness here ...its of vital importance for our safety

    We payed through our noses for most expensive vaccine deal ...its the most important duty of our leaders and officials to use them as efficiently as possible to get maximum benefit out of tax payers money spent on them .

    This kind of cowboy approach for such an important matter is just sacrilege and not fit for public office case IMHO


    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...6JNAYUQDBH3KY/

    Now and only now, after the latest community spread of the security guard, are the government and authorities going to initiate a 'line by line' assessment to ascertain and make sure that all frontline staff at MIQ are vaccinated!

    Freaking joke - this government and MOH.

    Would be really really funny except that all our health and lives are placed at risk by their ineptitude.

    But we still have legions of star-struck Cindy supporters like dobby41 here making every conceivable excuses whenever there's revelation of yet another border/frontline mishap and mismanagement. And doesn't she lap all that up and preach kindness and BS to us all?
    Last edited by Balance; 09-04-2021 at 08:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Possibly. Of course, you can't make vaccination a condition of employment or force a vaccination.
    I don't know all the facts, and I suspect neither do you, so can't speak with any authority on what is happening.
    Of course in NZ we cannot force a vaccination. However vaccinations should be mandatory for those in positions working at the border. No jab, no job.

    If those who refuse to be vaccinated cannot be redeployed to a non-border job, then they would have to be sacked from their employment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    Of course in NZ we cannot force a vaccination. However vaccinations should be mandatory for those in positions working at the border. No jab, no job.
    Careful, you are tempting dobby41 to engage you in Cindy-speake, the art of BS transparency, accountability and no real action from the clueless one.
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    Hipkins said ‘ultimately’ many times on the radio this morning

    Seems ultimately is like passing the blame
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Hipkins said ‘ultimately’ many times on the radio this morning

    Seems ultimately is like passing the blame
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...s-unvaccinated

    Not a clue how many frontline workers have been vaccinated!

    Guess they ultimately all will but only after several more outbreaks from MIQ into the community?

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...abs-in-group-3

    A month out from Group 3 priority vaccinations and still no clear direction to health providers who qualify!

    Front of the queue to back of the queue is bad enough but months of preparation and still clueless?

    That’s Cindy & her BS team at work.

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    TV3 - Frontline staff compulsory testing register has been voluntary!

    So government has not got a clue whether employers & MOH have been following the requirement.

    And in breaking news, Chris Hipkins announced the register will be made compulsory.

    Yet another example of a clueless Cindy & her team of incompetents.

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    Seeing the new rapid rise and wide range of new cases is frightening ....every new peak is bigger in depth as well as spread ...TA should signal that its still on a rising path . With Vaccine hope came which is melting now as only very few countries will be able to benefit to start with which makes me wonder how much longer this will last ...7 years of Bloomberg survey seems very optimistic as the moment

    Israel , UAE , USA and UK seem to be on track to reap maximum benefits due to their early and fast vaccination program . NZ will be there about 6-9 months latter

    Surely its going to become two tier world ...another thing to divide us ...sad !!

    Following the progress and trajectory of Israel will show what to expect ahead ...If it has troubles still then God bless us ...In next 3-6 months we will know for sure

    Astra vaccine vows is real setback to mankind ...that was supposed to be mainstay of our fightback ...it should slow the whole progress by year or so

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    The latest reaction on this saga from the PM was "Test your staff or face the consequences." Wasn't a routine test how they found out about this infection in the first place? The reporting system which had been running for 1 year, was apparently voluntary until just recently. Why? Then there's the question of what the government were doing with the data companies were sending them - not much if anything at all according to the information that has been release to the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    The latest reaction on this saga from the PM was "Test your staff or face the consequences." Wasn't a routine test how they found out about this infection in the first place? The reporting system which had been running for 1 year, was apparently voluntary until just recently. Why? Then there's the question of what the government were doing with the data companies were sending them - not much if anything at all according to the information that has been release to the media.
    Being an island nation far away from anywhere, NZ has a huge strategic advantage against the virus entering the country - only way is via the ports and airports, and in turn via leakage from MIQ.

    MIQ preventive barriers and protocols must be tight as a drum but it's very very very obvious to all that it's not the case.

    What's worse is that the government & MOH continue to promote 'kindness, compassion and wellbeing' of returnees - until the **** hits the fan, and then they panic.

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    To be honest - I thought the governments recent travel restrictions for India are a bit over the top, but than I looked at India's latest Covid stats:

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    Shocking rise of new cases - this does look like a problem, doesn't it?

    Still - how would we feel if our own government locks us without warning out from returning to the country we call home? I think the government needs at least to make sure they support these people while they can't return home due to the governments intervention ... but this is a different subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    To be honest - I thought the governments recent travel restrictions for India are a bit over the top, but than I looked at India's latest Covid stats:


    Shocking rise of new cases - this does look like a problem, doesn't it?

    Still - how would we feel if our own government locks us without warning out from returning to the country we call home? I think the government needs at least to make sure they support these people while they can't return home due to the governments intervention ... but this is a different subject.
    The issue with the India (note I don't use Indians) travel restriction is that something smells very badly about the testing regime over there.

    There should not be so many positive cases on arrival from India if the tests are accurate and proper. In that part of the world (whether India or China or Philippines or Thailand), false certifications are readily available for a price - even for university degrees and qualifications, let alone a negative covid test certificate.

    If all the certifications are genuine (pigs can fly first imo), there's obviously a serious problem with infections and transmissions on the flights back to NZ.

    Either way, it has to be sorted out properly before the inevitable happens - a full blown out break in NZ from imported cases from India.
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    As per the current trends of vaccinations ...projections are USA to reach 75% level by July end , UK by August and EU by Sept end . Many other countries are also well into their vaccination programs .

    Bigger picture is that this should be the last Covid surge of over 500,000 cases per day if we have to consider vaccination as success !!

    Next 3-6 months will decide if vaccinations do help countries to control bigger and damaging outbreaks thus having some control over this deadly virus

    Initial signs are good from Israel and UK ...SA variant is a hiccup

    If all goes to plan then by end of this year fear of covid will be gone ...Covid will stay but it will not decide our behaviour and lifestyle etc

    Concerns being new variants and length of protection etc which can delay human dominance over virus in wresting control back

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