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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrewd Crude View Post
    Yeah but dobby,
    We have seen what happens like in Italy and Spain and around what happens when you do nothing and pretend that everything is just fine where that will get us... other countries who were at early stages like we were did nothing and now they are in a far worse off situation because everyone is sick now...

    Things are not gona be productive in a country like Italy or Spain now even if it weren't a lockdown anyway......

    It's not what corona is doing to NZ now it's what Corona COULD do to us...think about itttttt buddy ...

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    So are you in the 'the measures are necessary' or the 'measures are an over-reaction' camp?
    In my post I was just saying how it could be viewed from both sides - I have thought about it and wasn't offering a view of which side I am on (wasn't a necessary part of my post).
    I'm not sure that Italy and Spain did NOTHING but more that they were too slow to take the big steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiora View Post
    Why is there not more testing for Corona?
    Good question.
    Because its not a cattle disease?
    Complete test & retest has been done recently for M Bovis
    Much more thorough and faster results?even though likely still not thorough enough
    https://www.mpi.govt.nz/protection-a...esting-regime/
    if it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

    Don't test enough, don't close the border early enough, don't invest in new ventilators and ICU beds, allow people to "self isolate" (fat chance of that happening properly), set a deadline to get home so that people rush back in to self isolate, announce a lockdown with enough prior warning that everyone goes out to do massive amounts of shopping all in the same place (what's the bet there's a huge spike in cases in ~2 weeks time from this), prevent people from ordering delivery food so they HAVE to go to the supermarket all together ... the list goes on.

    Literal clown world nonsense.

    The worst bit? The fawning media won't ask any tough questions.
    Last edited by samjaynz; 27-03-2020 at 11:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrewd Crude View Post
    Yeah but dobby,
    We have seen what happens like in Italy and Spain and around what happens when you do nothing and pretend that everything is just fine where that will get us... other countries who were at early stages like we were did nothing and now they are in a far worse off situation because everyone is sick now...

    Things are not gona be productive in a country like Italy or Spain now even if it weren't a lockdown anyway......

    It's not what corona is doing to NZ now it's what Corona COULD do to us...think about itttttt buddy ...

    .^sc
    And we will be able to see what happens in Sweden with a 'do nothing' approach.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12320239

    For lighter relief this is good
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12320316

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    Air b&b realestate might be in strife if highly geared. Do you get the mortgage relief for commercial realestate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiora View Post
    Why is there not more testing for Corona?
    Good question.
    Because its not a cattle disease?
    Complete test & retest has been done recently for M Bovis
    Much more thorough and faster results?even though likely still not thorough enough
    https://www.mpi.govt.nz/protection-a...esting-regime/
    But at least MPI are not running it this time,if they were we would have large areas where they would either forget about or simply lose the data collected

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    No relief for commercial landords. My tenant asked for a three month rent holiday as they had to close. Our E-Mails actually crossed, I had already offered them a rebate of 80% of the base rent, but they still have to pay rates and insurance as I do. They are entitled to all sort of subsidies. Still a bit unfair that they pay full rent while remaining closed at no fault of their own.

    I hope it doesnt go on too long.

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    Some UK people are starting to feel "less equal"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-old-divisions

    NZ currently has 368 cases
    Last edited by arc; 27-03-2020 at 03:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottomfeeder View Post
    No relief for commercial landords. My tenant asked for a three month rent holiday as they had to close. Our E-Mails actually crossed, I had already offered them a rebate of 80% of the base rent, but they still have to pay rates and insurance as I do. They are entitled to all sort of subsidies. Still a bit unfair that they pay full rent while remaining closed at no fault of their own.

    I hope it doesnt go on too long.
    Bit tough on commercial landlords if they have a big mortgage eh bf

    You can tell that Robertson and Ardern (along with their advisors) have never run a business

    Like just now Robertson seems to have added confusion to the wage and leave subsidy schemes ...I think most employers had sussed how to manage it up to 3pm today but a few curve balls have been thrown in, either a change of heart or badly worded releases.

    Good they doing something anyway ..even if hard to understand interpretations of their intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Some UK people are starting to feel "less equal"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-old-divisions

    NZ currently has 368 cases
    The guardian loves a good class war story. Hardly a revelation that the royal family receive special treatment. People are a bit sick of them now though, can see when the queen finally goes, they will lose any respect they have left. Time to wheel out the guillotine.

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    Have to have a chuckle (out of frustration) at the latest breaking news on Stuff.

    Government tells us that one of the signs of being able to lift lockdown is lack of community transmission. Only way to check for community transmission is by testing, but testing is only been done in small quantities, so basically impossible to discern.

    Why no commitment to massively rolling out testing in the community to establish community transmission patterns?

    Or do they just want to keep us locked up indoors permanently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Bit tough on commercial landlords if they have a big mortgage eh bf

    You can tell that Robertson and Ardern (along with their advisors) have never run a business

    Like just now Robertson seems to have added confusion to the wage and leave subsidy schemes ...I think most employers had sussed how to manage it up to 3pm today but a few curve balls have been thrown in, either a change of heart or badly worded releases.

    Good they doing something anyway ..even if hard to understand interpretations of their intent.
    I don't think it would be possible to compensate lessees or lessors without compensating all commercial losses, traders, manufacturers, service industries, etc. That simply couldn't happen. Govt. have acknowledged that some businesses won't survive - same applies to some commercial investors; heavily mortgaged with a failing tenant will kill a few off. At least, unlike many businesses, property owners will at least have a saleable asset; albeit at a low price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samjaynz View Post
    if it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

    Don't test enough, don't close the border early enough, don't invest in new ventilators and ICU beds, allow people to "self isolate" (fat chance of that happening properly), set a deadline to get home so that people rush back in to self isolate, announce a lockdown with enough prior warning that everyone goes out to do massive amounts of shopping all in the same place (what's the bet there's a huge spike in cases in ~2 weeks time from this), prevent people from ordering delivery food so they HAVE to go to the supermarket all together ... the list goes on.

    Literal clown world nonsense.

    The worst bit? The fawning media won't ask any tough questions.
    Yep It had to be deliberate, because nobody could make such a mess of things unless they were doing it on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratkin View Post
    Yep It had to be deliberate, because nobody could make such a mess of things unless they were doing it on purpose.
    Yes at best it's a case of "never letting a good crisis go to waste" (perfect opportunity to inflate away debt with 'money printer goes brr' and then blame the peasants for the carnage caused, as well as a great excuse to have a crack at authoritarian socialism without needing the ballot box) - at worst you've got to think the incompetence is deliberate.

    Not that I think anyone in parliament would do anything any differently ... all as bad as each other. Just different flavours of the same poison.

    When will ONE journalist stop hanging on every word Jacinda and co say as if it's gospel and ask some hard questions?

    A vague "we might let you get on with life in 4 weeks, if we feel like it lol" is not good enough in my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samjaynz View Post

    When will ONE journalist stop hanging on every word Jacinda and co say as if it's gospel and ask some hard questions?

    A vague "we might let you get on with life in 4 weeks, if we feel like it lol" is not good enough in my view.
    Yep Jacinta is getting away with murder by a fawning sycophantic media. She is totally incompetent and in over her head. (not that Bridges would be any better, in fact he would probably be worse)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Yep Jacinta is getting away with murder by a fawning sycophantic media. She is totally incompetent and in over her head. (not that Bridges would be any better, in fact he would probably be worse)
    She is incredibly popular now, the face book brigade love her. Only way she is not winning the election is if MR Virus manages to outsmart her lock downs.

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