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    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    It's going to keep the US legal system in the black for many years to come.Think of all the law suits that are going to be filed,they are going to have a field day with the blame game
    The US government are having thousands of 'thoughts and prayers' domestically manufactured as we speak.

    It is just completely unprecedented that the US would face the same global pandemic European countries where facing weeks prior. That's why it has caught us so unprepared.

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    Listening carefully to Grant Robertson yesterday, it looks very much like he wants businesses to keep their employees through this crisis by providing Employers with the money, the 80% wage subsidy, (even if some employees take a temp wage cut as I know some would prefer to losing their jobs altogether ) rather than providing that money to Work & Income to subsidise more people on the dole.

    Reason being, he wants Employers & Employees to keep that relationship going through this, so when it's over, we can come out of it faster.

    That looks well thought out policy which benefits both Employers & Employees, i.e. business.

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    Another positive aspect of this whole virus is that the climate seems to have stopped changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Listening carefully to Grant Robertson yesterday, it looks very much like he wants businesses to keep their employees through this crisis by providing Employers with the money, the 80% wage subsidy, (even if some employees take a temp wage cut as I know some would prefer to losing their jobs altogether ) rather than providing that money to Work & Income to subsidise more people on the dole.

    Reason being, he wants Employers & Employees to keep that relationship going through this, so when it's over, we can come out of it faster.

    That looks well thought out policy which benefits both Employers & Employees, i.e. business.
    And how will business pay their rent with no income. I don't see govt stumping up but then how interested is this govt in the prosperity of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot View Post
    And how will business pay their rent with no income. I don't see govt stumping up but then how interested is this govt in the prosperity of business.
    They aren't, but they are interested in their survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Another positive aspect of this whole virus is that the climate seems to have stopped changing.
    **** now we have to be really concerned if this is true !!! Luckily Cindy is encouraging use of coal power so we should go back to normal quickly :-)

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    Councils are making a killing.They are still charging businesses rates on buildings that have been forced to close.Sent most of their staff home,and are claiming the govt wage subsidy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Another positive aspect of this whole virus is that the climate seems to have stopped changing.
    That is because Greta got the virus and had to self isolate.
    “Better three hours too soon than a minute too late.”
    ― William Shakespeare

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    Some big positives.

    never been better going for a walk, almost no air pollution (less cars on the road), quiet and peaceful just the beautiful birdsong to listen to, hardly have to even look if you cross the road, really really nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Slothbear View Post
    Some big positives.

    never been better going for a walk, almost no air pollution (less cars on the road), quiet and peaceful just the beautiful birdsong to listen to, hardly have to even look if you cross the road, really really nice.
    Its also a great time to teach kids to ride bikes - its a lot safer than usual if they need to be on the road.

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    New industries & collaboration with 3 D printing
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...edical-workers

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    It's potentially just as bad as the flu...

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...ured_secondary

    On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

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    The reality is that we do not know the case fatality of influenza or covid-19.The good news as you point out is that they have reported on a mortality rate of confirmed cases at 1.4% whilst we do not know the number of asymptomatic plus mildly symptomatic cases.I fully agree this is likely to be many times the reported rate and it may turn out more akin to many influenza strains.
    Bad news is more could die as we have no immunity or vaccines.
    Once we have serology testing it should easily be possible to calculate the mortality rate.The Netherlands has started serology testing so in a few months we should have a better idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish View Post
    The reality is that we do not know the case fatality of influenza or covid-19.The good news as you point out is that they have reported on a mortality rate of confirmed cases at 1.4% whilst we do not know the number of asymptomatic plus mildly symptomatic cases.I fully agree this is likely to be many times the reported rate and it may turn out more akin to many influenza strains.
    Bad news is more could die as we have no immunity or vaccines.
    Once we have serology testing it should easily be possible to calculate the mortality rate.The Netherlands has started serology testing so in a few months we should have a better idea
    Thanks fish, that makes sense. Hindsight is of course a wonderful thing.

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    Perhaps this pandemic will further spur the move towards distributed manufacturing and an information/internet economy.

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