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    Quote Originally Posted by Davexl View Post
    Interesting points,

    I guess the forthcoming P8 upgrades takes care of the first part of the equation, although if we had a bigger budget we would get a couple more, considering the rapidly increasing surveillance need over NZ's enormous maritime domain including the nation states of the SW Pacific.

    Soft power vs hard power. I personally think we absolutely must do both as Australia is doing, considering the leadtimes right now. Soft power is irrelevant if push comes to shove, especially if we are to do our bit in the SW Pacific. Once China establishes a base there it's a serious problem.

    There is a risk that unless Aust & NZ step up more, eg with Covid assistance should it hit the islands, China could move in with 'hard money' and establish a beachhead. The Pacific step-up should help but...

    The purpose of soft power is to prevent push coming to shove.

    So what can "hard money" buy in the Pacific? And could New Zealand compete with it? And how important is money in the scheme of things anyway?

    What are the Pacific micro-states interested in? I would guess that at the moment they are interested in what's going on in their EEZs. And that they're looking very carefully at the saga of that Chinese fishing fleet which was working around the Galapagos, and wondering what it might mean for their interests.

    I suspect they're also aware that there's no prospect of ongoing seasonal or agricultural work for their people in China.

    So New Zealand has some levers to pull in the Pacific. As does Australia.

    Perhaps it's worth teaming up with Australia to set up in-air refuelling capability for the P8s?

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    GTM 3442 comments in quotes, Davexl comments in between...

    Quote Originally Posted by GTM 3442 View Post
    "The purpose of soft power is to prevent push coming to shove.

    So what can "hard money" buy in the Pacific? And could New Zealand compete with it? And how important is money in the scheme of things anyway?"


    Soft power is merely a means to an end, not necessarily limited to 'goodwill'. Hard Cash can fund the influence on and the sustainability of these island economies, which let's face it, are failed states without tourism operating thanks to Covid-19 and even in good times they are heavily reliant on seasonal / predominately low skill job access (& remittances) in NZ & Australia to be viable economies.

    NZ & Australia combined can compete with China for now for influence, but China can easily step up itself as a lender to build roads, communications, and then "fishing ports" and fishing rights to those countries EEZ's. The island nations desperately need 'sustainable' jobs and won't necessarily be fussy over who supplies them.

    Whether they are entrapped by debt provisions / asset takeovers on possible loan defaults is another matter entirely as other developing nations have been, but China will have refined its strategies following Western criticism to enhance its ultimate lending & asset control.


    "What are the Pacific micro-states interested in? I would guess that at the moment they are interested in what's going on in their EEZs. And that they're looking very carefully at the saga of that Chinese fishing fleet which was working around the Galapagos, and wondering what it might mean for their interests."


    I would hope they are looking extremely carefully into the Galapagos islands situation as should New Zealand itself. The ability to GPS spoof their fleet locations as being in New Zealand, should be a wake-up call to be very suspicious of China's motivations & intentions wrt. the maintenance of a sustainable fishery resource.

    On a side note, I wonder if at least one of the recent US Navy ship collisions was somehow associated with GPS spoofing, but this is speculation on my part...


    "I suspect they're also aware that there's no prospect of ongoing seasonal or agricultural work for their people in China."


    I expect that if a logistical response was able to form a "Jobs Bubble" with Covid-controlled China, that this would be a point of leverage against NZ & Aust.


    "So New Zealand has some levers to pull in the Pacific. As does Australia." In terms of goodwill, yes for now, but "money talks".


    "Perhaps it's worth teaming up with Australia to set up in-air refuelling capability for the P8s?"


    I would expect this capability to be covered off with Aust if required. Not sure what option they chose at this point. It would be better if we could demonstrate some operational self-sufficiency and budgetary independance from Aust also but see below...

    The P-8 cannot use the hose-and-drogue in-flight refueling method, instead featuring a flying boom receptacle on the upper-forward fuselage, making it, like the USN's E-6 Mercury TACAMO aircraft, reliant on U.S. Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, KC-10 Extender and KC-46 Pegasus aircraft for in-flight refueling. In April 2017, the USAF 459th Air Refueling Wing worked with the Naval Air Systems Command to certify operationally the P-8 for in-flight refueling.[52] For extended endurance, six additional fuel tanks from Marshall Aerospace are housed in the forward and rear cargo compartments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davexl View Post
    Internal dissent made public:

    China's Xi Jinping facing widespread opposition in his own party, insider claims

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/18/china-xi-jinping-facing-widespread-opposition-in-his-own-party-claims-insider

    Exclusive: Cai Xia, who has been expelled from the elite Central Party School, says president’s ‘unchecked power’ has made China ‘the enemy of the world’



    More confirmation of where Xi is taking and wants to take China & the world:

    China's Communist Party is a threat to the world, says former elite insider


    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/22/a...hnk/index.html

    "The relationship between China and the United States is not a conflict between the two peoples,
    but a contest and confrontation between two systems and two ideologies," Cai told CNN.
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    'US, China sea tensions hot and getting hotter'
    by Richard Javad Heydarian


    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/us-china-sea-tensions-hot-and-getting-hotter/

    'During its latest drills in the South China Sea on August 18, the US Navy’s USS Mustin destroyer upped the ante
    by reportedly piercing through for the first time the western side of the median line dividing mainland China and Taiwan.

    China has lashed back by describing the move as “extremely dangerous”, and vowing to defend its interests
    and claims in the area,including the eventual integration of Taiwan with the mainland.'


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    Quote Originally Posted by Davexl View Post
    GTM 3442 comments in quotes, Davexl comments in between...
    Given Boeing's propensity to leave spanners in the works, it might be a good thing that Australia went European with aerial refuelling. . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A330_MRTT

    Raises the question of inter-operability and commonality of gear, doesn't it - making those ANZAC frigates look good in more ways than one!

    And out of idle curiosity, are you cynical enough to wonder if the Chinese finding COVID-19 traces on those packages of Ecuadorian shrimps was anything other than co-incidental

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    Wine-dumping ‘investigation’ shows Australian businesses must plan for Chinese coercion

    https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/wi...nese-coercion/

    Lessons to be factored into China facing Company Board / Investor thinking. Applies in NZ too...
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    Golden touch: Is Warren Buffett betting against America?


    https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/golden-touch-is-warren-buffett-betting-against-america-20200824-p55opb.html

    It’s not just the debt and the Fed’s loose monetary policies that are undermining – some say debasing
    – the US dollar. There’s the loss of US credibility flowing from its mishandling of the pandemic, its political
    instability and the incoherence and lack of predictability in its relationships with the rest of the world.
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    The world according to Jerome: Markets on edge ahead of virtual meeting

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/mark...25-p55p2e.html

    'While a shift from a hard ceiling on inflation to a soft floor might not appear radical, it would leave the Fed open to the charge that where bubbles in financial markets have been a unintended consequence of its post-GFC policies the formalisation of a new policy would see the Fed knowingly inflating them further and increasing the risk of another, more catastrophic, financial crisis.'
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    Example of the impact of geopolitical tensions on commercial transactions in Aust...

    Beverages group Lion abandons $600 million China dairy sale

    https://www.theage.com.au/business/c...25-p55p1p.html

    Mr Frydenberg, who did not publicly announce he would block the deal amid rising geopolitical tensions
    between Australia and the Chinese Communist Party, quietly told Mengniu Dairy in August that it would
    not go ahead.
    The Chinese government-owned food company COFCO holds about a 16 per cent stake in Mengniu,
    which itself is listed in Hong Kong.
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