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    Risk for NZ is growing as possible spill over from AUS increases but im sure wellington is trying to keep its head down. The problem is that pressure will come on NZ from the US hawks but lets hope the US is so busy this all blows over in the storms ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greater fool View Post
    Meanwhile, appointing itself as US “deputy sheriff” has landed Australia in a recession.
    I'm pretty sure you'll find the wuhan flu put them (and us) into a recession.

    I started reading the article you posted, but its obviously written by a CCP shill so stopped reading it pretty quickly.

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    I'm confused - On the one hand, NZ is being berated as a member of Five-Eyes by the
    Chinese Foreign Ministry, very crudely, with a very mild rebuke from Foreign Minister Mahuta,

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...FXYIR27BUIYOE/

    and on the other hand China is promoting itself as all sweetness and light with a vision for all mankind,

    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/e...nd-cooperation
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    All at the same time!!??

    Excerpt from Ambassador Wu Xi:

    "In the years ahead, China will continue to hold high the banner of peace,
    development, cooperation and mutual benefits, strive to create a favorable
    external environment and promote the building of a new type of
    international relations and a community with a shared future for mankind."

    Perhaps the CCP is in turmoil and can't get its messaging right??
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    if we look at whats happened in HK i dont think the CCP is anything but in full control..

    my friends there have all sold or closed their business and left in the stock market industry and clothe brand design and returned to australia.

    we got our warning on the virus In to everyone 24 hours before the HK health warning and everyone showed up with masks on the next day.


    one only needs to see what has happened in the south china seas to see the true intent of the CCP..

    japan is coming under daily pressure in the skies from china aircraft patrols... its not looking good..
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    Unprecedented and impossible to believe. but it happened!

    Trump makes futile last stand to overturn results as Georgia certifies Biden win


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...icans-election
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davexl View Post
    Unprecedented and impossible to believe. but it happened!

    Trump makes futile last stand to overturn results as Georgia certifies Biden win


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...icans-election
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

    Electors are typically chosen and nominated by a political party or the party's presidential nominee, and are usually party members
    with a reputation for high loyalty to the party and its chosen candidate. Thus, a faithless elector runs the risk of party censure
    and political retaliation from their party, as well as potential legal penalties in some states. Candidates for electors are nominated
    by state political parties in the months prior to Election Day. In some states, such as Indiana, the electors are nominated in primaries,
    the same way other candidates are nominated.[2] In other states, such as Oklahoma, Virginia, and North Carolina, electors are nominated
    in party conventions. In Pennsylvania, the campaign committee of each candidate names their candidates for elector (an attempt to
    discourage faithless electors). In some states, high-ranking and/or well-known state officials up to and including governors often
    serve as electors whenever possible (the Constitution prohibits federal officials from acting as electors, but does not restrict
    state officials from doing so). The parties have generally been successful in keeping their electors faithful, leaving out the rare
    cases in which a candidate died before the elector was able to cast a vote.

    There have been a total of 165[3] instances of faithlessness as of 2016, 63 of which occurred in 1872 when Horace Greeley died after Election
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    their support to a major opposing candidate. During the 1836 election, Virginia's entire 23-man electoral delegation faithlessly abstained[4]
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    , causing the vice-presidential election to be thrown into the U.S. Senate for the only time in American history.
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    Looks like the world might be back with a safe pair of hands (China included)

    Biden Chooses Antony Blinken, Defender of Global Alliances, as Secretary of State

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/u...p_id=636303189

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    "Working with other countries, Mr. Blinken said in the same July forum at the Hudson Institute, could have the added benefit of confronting another top diplomatic challenge: competing with China by choosing multilateral efforts to advance trade, technology investments and human rights — instead of forcing individual nations to choose between the two superpowers’ economies."
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    The Biden administration and the South China Sea

    The Trump administration leaves behind a major nexus of confrontation with China for Biden to contend with
    by Mark J. Valencia

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/11/the-bi...uth-china-sea/


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    This could be a fast developing story...

    These AAA-Rated Bonds Are Tumbling as China Default Fears Spread

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ult-fears-grow
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    https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/1...ly-thing-do-so

    Meanwhile, we have Mahuta in her first foray as Foreign Minister telling the Chinese exactly where NZ stands - with a declining empire against our biggest trading partner.

    Watch this space!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/1...ly-thing-do-so

    Meanwhile, we have Mahuta in her first foray as Foreign Minister telling the Chinese exactly where NZ stands - with a declining empire against our biggest trading partner.

    Watch this space!
    Interesting article but I believe China has far bigger fish to fry than insignificant New Zealand, even as a part of Five Eyes.
    Foreign Minister Mahuta's reply was very mild in comparison to China's Foreign Ministry's aggressive rhetoric, and the Prime Minister referred to "our mature relationship" almost apologetically...

    I mean let's face it, NZ is a joke - pretending to have its own sovereign foreign policy, when it can't even defend its share of the necessary defence partnership load with Australia, let alone interact credibly with the US as a non-ally. (Despite excellent progress by Ron Mark as MOD).

    We need an ANZUS II and we need to credibly re-arm (including a new air-strike wing) and prepare for whats coming
    from an increasingly aggressive President Xi in the future...(or wait until the China moderates force him out - see previous page "The Weakness of President Xi within China, the bungled handling of the Covid virus and a plan to deal to his hardline faction").

    New-Zealand's Dangerous Strategic Apathy in an Uncertain Age

    https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/ne...uncertain-age/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davexl View Post
    Interesting article but I believe China has far bigger fish to fry than insignificant New Zealand, even as a part of Five Eyes.

    I mean let's face it, NZ is a joke - pretending to have its own sovereign foreign policy, when it can't even defend its share of the necessary partnership load with Australia, let alone interact credibly with the US as a non-ally.

    We need an ANZUS II and we need to credibly re-arm (including a new air-strike wing) and prepare for whats coming from an aggressive President Xi in the future...
    BS, we need to work with China and face the fact they're not going away. They're too big and important to be adversaries. That doesn't mean we should be weak but rather play the game how nz has been to date.

    Nz will never credibley rearm as you call it. Simply too small. A few fighter planes wont make any difference. Nz is far from a joke, is actually a great little country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    BS, we need to work with China and face the fact they're not going away. They're too big and important to be adversaries. That doesn't mean we should be weak but rather play the game how nz has been to date.

    Nz will never credibley rearm as you call it. Simply too small. A few fighter planes wont make any difference. Nz is far from a joke, is actually a great little country.

    I love this country more than you can possibly imagine, just before WWII, NZ was completely defenceless and hadn't taken out an insurance policy against aggression by a foreign power. Wake UP!! History is repeating itself. As long as President Xi remains in power, things will get progressively worse...(or wait until the China moderates force him out - see previous page "The Weakness of President Xi within China, the bungled handling of the Covid virus and a plan to deal to his hardline faction").
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    Biden Welcomes National Security Team, Says ‘America Is Back’

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    No America is not back. I've traveled the highways and byways of America many times and it's a country in decline. Clapped out infrastructure and no middle class. The sun is setting on the US and rising in other lands. As it has always done. The American Century is over. Going to war isn't going to work next time and hasn't worked since the 1960s.
    Telling the world you're taking the top seat at the table merely implies another futile arms race.

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    Japan and Australia put aside wartime baggage to counter China’s rise

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...stralia-china/

    Excerpt:

    "While both Suga and Morrison reject claims that their cooperation targets China, both countries’ defense ministries identify Beijing as a principle cause of regional instability and call for enhanced capabilities to keep the peace. The two leaders’ joint statement notes “serious concerns” about “coercive or unilateral attempts to change the status quo” that “increase tensions in the region.” From my vantage point — and I am not alone — the particulars in the statement point to one country, even if the two leaders don’t want to say its name out loud. Dealing with it requires more than symbolic efforts. They are underway."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    No America is not back. I've traveled the highways and byways of America many times and it's a country in decline. Clapped out infrastructure and no middle class. The sun is setting on the US and rising in other lands. As it has always done. The American Century is over. Going to war isn't going to work next time and hasn't worked since the 1960s.
    Telling the world you're taking the top seat at the table merely implies another futile arms race.
    You may well be right, but what is the alternative - give into China's aggression and be rolled over by the CCP?

    Perhaps Biden can moderate the situation between the US and China by sharing other work with multilateral institutions.
    I have also been to the US and have seen their decline, but I still have faith in their ability to re-invigorate themselves
    and their values which we in the West share.

    Trump has caused immense damage, and it will take time to heal the divisions but at least with Biden, the world is in a better place...
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    Why are you spouting all this pro-America stuff on share traders forum?
    The connection with the capital markets is....what?
    Write to Mahuta with your theories.
    Tell us some share tales instead. That's what the folks here want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    Why are you spouting all this pro-America stuff on share traders forum?
    The connection with the capital markets is....what?
    Write to Mahuta with your theories.
    Tell us some share tales instead. That's what the folks here want.

    1. The title of this forum is Geo-Political-Risk - look up what it means, and think about how it might affect your shares. eg China and Australia ATM
    2. Whether you appreciate it or not, America's nuclear shield and global alliances have kept the world safe from a major conflagration for some 75 years.

    We owe a debt to America for saving NZ and Australia from the Japanese in WWII and our generation has never had to fight a war under conscription.

    I personally find this anti-Americanism attitude extremely distasteful, it clearly stems from ignorance. Read some history.
    Fortunately we are lead by leaders in NZ who are not either of these things. And our past Minister of Defence was possibly the best MOD in 40 years.

    Unlike the last appalling 4 years of President Trump...
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