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    Davexl : southern front line.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JghBimlgCoc

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    Why Jacinda Ardern said no to the Commonwealth, but yes to NATO

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129019162/why-jacinda-ardern-said-no-to-the-commonwealth-but-yes-to-nato#comments

    Comment from Goatfarmer:

    "An interesting piece thank you Geoff, particularly for focusing on the PM's newly discovered priority for national security ... perhaps?

    The NATO partnership may be a good way to secure NZ soft power credits but it remains the case that we still have the ANZUS Treaty available to do this formally. As has been noted by former Chief of Defence Staff Ewen Jamieson in 'Friend or Ally', the 1980's saw NZ abandon its former close allies for a foreign policy based on hope, neutrality, and disarmament.

    This is reflected in our current lack of any war fighting ability. With 2 third-rate frigates and 3 50+ year-old maritime aircraft our hardware cupboards and credibility is literally bare. Today, we no longer live in a benign strategic environment as the CCP destabilises our Pacific.

    Now is the time to build our military again and rejoin ANZUS! As a priority."

    Of course, if the Prime Minister wanted actual credibility, she would have mandated greatly increased Defence expenditure in our very recent Budget process!
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    Even former defence staff in government departments still dont see NZ as having any one to actually fight.

    It appears the defence of NZ freedom to exist and trade is based on nothing but hope.

    The labour government is backed by south pacific NZ residents and iwi none of who want to increase defence spending.

    Increasing defence is more about showing that NZ will share in the costs of a democratic free west than actually fighting.

    Share the cost is what it means and previous governments in NZ and even defence staff havnt seen NZ as being part of the solution for a very long time.

    NZ has had a free ride and at least the PM understands that free ride is really over and is just wondering how long she can fly the flag without actually buying any new flag pole holders.

    NZ got caught napping and everyone in AUS, LONDON and WASHINGTON knows it..

    NZ doesnt have any money anyway... you would need to pull the plug on many government departments to afford planes, ships and tanks...

    never going to happen..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waltzing View Post
    Even former defence staff in government departments still dont see NZ as having any one to actually fight.

    It appears the defence of NZ freedom to exist and trade is based on nothing but hope.

    The labour government is backed by south pacific NZ residents and iwi none of who want to increase defence spending.

    Increasing defence is more about showing that NZ will share in the costs of a democratic free west than actually fighting.

    Share the cost is what it means and previous governments in NZ and even defence staff havnt seen NZ as being part of the solution for a very long time.

    NZ has had a free ride and at least the PM understands that free ride is really over and is just wondering how long she can fly the flag without actually buying any new flag pole holders.

    NZ got caught napping and everyone in AUS, LONDON and WASHINGTON knows it..

    NZ doesnt have any money anyway... you would need to pull the plug on many government departments to afford planes, ships and tanks...

    never going to happen..

    Well said Waltzing!
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    New Zealand's moral authority is currently much more powerful that any military hardware we could ever dream of having.

    Beijing is 3500km closer to Reykjavik than Wellington.

    The Icelanders should be shaking in their shoes!
    Last edited by davflaws; 21-06-2022 at 01:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davflaws View Post
    New Zealand's moral authority is currently much more powerful that any military hardware we could ever dream of having.

    Beijing is 3500km closer to Reykjavik than Wellington.

    The Icelanders should be shaking in their shoes!
    Funny then how moral authority APPEARS to diminish the closer you get to centres of power that have hard military authority.
    The truth seems to be that Moral Authority needs to be backed by Hard Power to be credible in our dangerous new world...
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    Russia and China care nothing for Moral Authority to them it has no meaning.

    If you dont spend on defence you put the cost of your freedom on other countries tax payers.

    NZ share is contributing to R and D by buying modern defensive weapons from its western partners.

    NZ is currently MIA.
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    NZ Justice System vs Chinese "Justice" System...

    Looks like Kris Faafoi hands Kiri Allan a hospital pass on retirement, with the UN intervening on our government's decision making,
    (and letting them diplomatically off the hook with China)... Mmmmm...

    Murder-accused's extradition to China likely stalled by UN intervention

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...n-intervention
    Last edited by Davexl; 21-06-2022 at 03:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davflaws View Post
    New Zealand's moral authority is currently much more powerful that any military hardware we could ever dream of having.

    Beijing is 3500km closer to Reykjavik than Wellington.

    The Icelanders should be shaking in their shoes!
    Iceland well might be next - but I reccon that this belongs into Putins empire. Might fit quite nicely after his troups marched through Sweden and Norway. Didn't some Russian whalers sit there anyway at some stage? Here we have it ... Iceland clearly is part of mother Russia!

    The Eastern part of the new axis powers (i.e. China) more likely to focus on the Pacific instead ... they just started with turning the South Chinese sea into a domestic lake, they will take Taiwan and than work themselves along Ossie through to NZ.

    Don't forget - NZ has been first occupied by the Maoris, and they came from Taiwan. Clearly - NZ is Chinese homeland and needs to be brought back under Xi's authority.

    Well, I guess this is their plan anyway.
    Last edited by BlackPeter; 21-06-2022 at 05:58 PM.
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    Bp i assume you think the 60 f35 will arrive to late in Finland and the Finish superior new jet powered AR shell that travels 150 KM wont actually work ,(over 150 test fires already).

    cant see the Idiots from that frozen land even getting as far as they did last time into Finland... not a chance on their current performance.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fugKO-90Ics

    feel safer there than here when visiting Auckland....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi7ABsLvVoU

    BP the FIN's actually have kit that works... including the tyres stay inflated ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnKsUnZ6wB0

    Inflated tyres are good ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NK-kSdv4ZM

    BP in order for those idiots to invade Iceland they have to find it first. They seem to have a problem with turning on their radar systems. A Navy vessel of their fleet recently ran into a freighter in the baltic..

    An analyst said the screens on their radar are barely useable for any length of time before the operator tunes out.

    Basically he said the designs are old and out of date....
    Last edited by Waltzing; 21-06-2022 at 10:46 PM.

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