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    The drums of war beat louder over Taiwan and Ukraine - Carl Bildt (The nightmare scenario...)

    https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/th...0and%20Ukraine
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    Its the old Khrushchev play book..

    rattle them and get some resolution as Putin wants NS2.

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    Russia will act if Ukraine 'red lines' crossed by NATO, Vladimir Putin says

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...utin-says.html
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    Biden seeks to prevent Russian invasion of ukraine.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/03/bide...f-ukraine.html

    Hopefully the west takes back crimea one day and returns it to its owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Biden seeks to prevent Russian invasion of ukraine.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/03/bide...f-ukraine.html

    Hopefully the west takes back crimea one day and returns it to its owner.
    Do you know who owns it? It really isn't so dissimilar to NZ only we approached it differently lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike2020 View Post
    Do you know who owns it? It really isn't so dissimilar to NZ only we approached it differently lately.
    Does it matter? If it's not in Russias interest then its generally good for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Does it matter? If it's not in Russias interest then its generally good for us.
    To the Russians, the West attempting to take back Crimea would be like Russia invading Alaska (even if I believe Russia shouldn't be there).

    I hope everyone chills out.

    I've never been fond of cannabis (not my cup of tea and not a judgement) but I see great value in Putin, Biden, and Xi getting into a room and smoking a massive blunt & listening to music. Could win the Nobel Prize....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Does it matter? If it's not in Russias interest then its generally good for us.
    Does it matter? Just a little genocide, no problem. It does matter and the Russians are the ones who need to rectify the situation, another war helps no one.

    Before we had such a huge relationship with China we swapped butter for Ladas when the Russians couldn't pay up. Why is something bad for Russia good for us? I like Russian people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Biden seeks to prevent Russian invasion of ukraine.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/03/bide...f-ukraine.html

    Hopefully the west takes back crimea one day and returns it to its owner.
    Hasnt Crimea been part of Russia since 1783

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcdongle View Post
    Hasnt Crimea been part of Russia since 1783
    Good point. Before that it used to belong to Turkey and Russia took it from them with force - i.e. no doubt Russia needs to give it back to Turkey.

    However - more recently Russia did give the Crimea (it first stole from Turkey) to the Ukraine ... and then took it back with force, this is not what friends do, isn't it?

    No matter how you turn it - Russia is the thief and aggressor - but hey, what would you expect from an autocratic crook.

    in 1783 the thief was the so called Catherina the Great, and more recently the thief was Putin the Liar and Assassin. No difference at all - all Russian crooks.
    Last edited by BlackPeter; 06-12-2021 at 08:04 AM.
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