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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    We are witnessing government’s intervention in the housing & accommodation market on a massive scale - with bugger all impact.

    Might as well go the whole hog and adopt the Singapore HDB model - affordable housing for all. Better spent of the tens of billions of dollars wasted currently on ill conceived and piece meal solutions.
    February 2021. New social and transitional housing added - 139. Increase in social housing waiting list - 456. All good then. Right? Just needs a couple more working groups and a whole lot more taxpayer money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    February 2021. New social and transitional housing added - 139. Increase in social housing waiting list - 456. All good then. Right? Just needs a couple more working groups and a whole lot more taxpayer money.
    Get Twyford back on the job I say!

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    Labour getting tough on immigration? Happy to see as I am a xenophobe who thinks a population of 5 million is about right for a country the size of NZ. The only argument I have seen for a larger population is more people consuming stuff more GDP and a continuation of the endless growth model.

    Also I am a greenie and think man made climate change won't be addressed by filling up NZ with more people. Sadly the green party doesn't care about climate change as much.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...?ocid=msedgntp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Labour getting tough on immigration? Happy to see as I am a xenophobe who thinks a population of 5 million is about right for a country the size of NZ. The only argument I have seen for a larger population is more people consuming stuff more GDP and a continuation of the endless growth model.

    Also I am a greenie and think man made climate change won't be addressed by filling up NZ with more people. Sadly the green party doesn't care about climate change as much.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...?ocid=msedgntp
    Importing low-skill people just makes them cheap - with cheap people, you don't need to increase productivity via mechanisation or similar means (working smarter).
    We do need to import some people, though, as our birth rate is below the replacement (around 1.7 v's 2.1 which would be needed) so our population would reduce (like Japan).
    If you need to import some people you might as well make them smart people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Importing low-skill people just makes them cheap - with cheap people, you don't need to increase productivity via mechanisation or similar means (working smarter).
    We do need to import some people, though, as our birth rate is below the replacement (around 1.7 v's 2.1 which would be needed) so our population would reduce (like Japan).
    If you need to import some people you might as well make them smart people.
    Don’t insult the migrants coming to NZ in recent years - anyone of them is harder working and smarter than the multitude of unemployed & unemployables born and bred in NZ.

    And now we have a government hell bent on creating more dependents, beneficiaries & deadbeats. Pay more for less or no work - what a fool’s paradise NZ is currently living in.
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    "We want to shift the balance away from low-skilled, low-paid work towards attracting high-skilled migrants and addressing genuine skill shortages in order to improve productivity," Ardern said.

    Has there actually been a focus on attracting low-skilled, low paid migrants? How did they get past INZ who make even the visa applications of skilled IT workers very difficult? The article makes several references to the salary being used to determine if immigrants are "low skill".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    "We want to shift the balance away from low-skilled, low-paid work towards attracting high-skilled migrants and addressing genuine skill shortages in order to improve productivity," Ardern said.

    Has there actually been a focus on attracting low-skilled, low paid migrants? How did they get past INZ who make even the visa applications of skilled IT workers very difficult? The article makes several references to the salary being used to determine if immigrants are "low skill".
    You should know by now :

    All talk and no delivery - that's Cindy & her team of incompetents.

    Busy breeding more beneficiaries and unemployables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    "We want to shift the balance away from low-skilled, low-paid work towards attracting high-skilled migrants and addressing genuine skill shortages in order to improve productivity," Ardern said.

    Has there actually been a focus on attracting low-skilled, low paid migrants? How did they get past INZ who make even the visa applications of skilled IT workers very difficult? The article makes several references to the salary being used to determine if immigrants are "low skill".
    They came for 'education' in the very poor English language schools as a pathway to residency.
    Under the National Govt we got growth by immigration rather than productivity - that's how we became the 'rock star economy' in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    They came for 'education' in the very poor English language schools as a pathway to residency.
    Under the National Govt we got growth by immigration rather than productivity - that's how we became the 'rock star economy' in 2014.
    I’ve heard this before, but there are a number of issues with that narrative.

    ESOL providers have always been regularly audited by both the TEC and NZQA. These regular audits uncover any performance deficit from either an education delivery, qualification outcome, or financial perspective. Those institutions identified as having deficits are given a specific amount of time to rectify the issue, and are placed on a more regular audit schedule. In cases were issues are not rectified accreditation and funding (either for a specific course or for the institution as a whole) can, and in many cases, has been removed.

    Completing an ESOL course is not enough to gain residency. Students must either have existing qualifications & experience to meet whatever the current INZ criteria are for awarding a work-visa (these change regularly based on perceived need), or they must attain higher qualifications such as a university degree in an area of shortage, or receive an offer of employment in an area identified having a skills shortage.

    National reformed the tertiary education sector in the first term of the Key government, moving from a bums-on-seats based funding model established by Labour in the early 2000’s which ironically resulted in the proliferation of PTEs, to an outcomes based funding model. This resulted in a number of additional poorly performing institutions closing and educational outcomes improving. Successive governments have not changed this approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    They came for 'education' in the very poor English language schools as a pathway to residency.
    Under the National Govt we got growth by immigration rather than productivity - that's how we became the 'rock star economy' in 2014.
    Irrespective, they contribute substantially compared to the hundreds of thousands of beneficiaries, unemployables and dead beats born & bred in NZ, especially now by Cindy’s incompetent government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Importing low-skill people just makes them cheap - with cheap people, you don't need to increase productivity via mechanisation or similar means (working smarter).
    We do need to import some people, though, as our birth rate is below the replacement (around 1.7 v's 2.1 which would be needed) so our population would reduce (like Japan).
    If you need to import some people you might as well make them smart people.
    Good point. And redirecting taxpayer funding from people power, especially lower skilled immigrants, into mechanisation and similar would actually increase productivity. For example New Zealand has already developed and exported apple packing technology, replacing low waged humans (if they can get them). That company, RoboticsPlus, has other products up and running or in development. ACC has invested in their log scaling technology that will reduce potentially thousands of ACC claims.

    In the UK an experimental field of I think maize was developed and harvested completely untouched by human hand. Very expensive. But Moore's Law.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...n-to-australia

    Forget about migrants - how about keeping highly skilled NZers in NZ rather than losing them to countries like Oz?

    Compare & contrast what Oz is doing with its budget - tax relief & improving competitiveness as its goal - vs the beneficiaries breeding focus of Cindy’s budget to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...n-to-australia

    Forget about migrants - how about keeping highly skilled NZers in NZ rather than losing them to countries like Oz?

    Compare & contrast what Oz is doing with its budget - tax relief & improving competitiveness as its goal - vs the beneficiaries breeding focus of Cindy’s budget to be.
    The problem i'm seeing with NZ is high net worth individuals with skills do not come to NZ. As I mentioned in another thread, wife's work mate is looking to move back to the US on the basis of tax inefficiencies here. These individuals that move comprise most of their wealth from stock market investments and when they realise they're paying on a paper gain + no ability to defer tax on the gains, why would the skilled want to move to NZ?

    This is why we get a high % of migrants in a skill category that are from other (Asian?) countries where their gov'ts don't provide them with any pension or retirement planning.

    Keep questioning why 20% of expat Kiwis live abroad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBQ View Post
    The problem i'm seeing with NZ is high net worth individuals with skills do not come to NZ. As I mentioned in another thread, wife's work mate is looking to move back to the US on the basis of tax inefficiencies here. These individuals that move comprise most of their wealth from stock market investments and when they realise they're paying on a paper gain + no ability to defer tax on the gains, why would the skilled want to move to NZ?

    This is why we get a high % of migrants in a skill category that are from other (Asian?) countries where their gov'ts don't provide them with any pension or retirement planning.

    Keep questioning why 20% of expat Kiwis live abroad?
    I don't claim to be a mathematician, but according to my calculations 100% of expats live abroad

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBQ View Post
    The problem i'm seeing with NZ is high net worth individuals with skills do not come to NZ. As I mentioned in another thread, wife's work mate is looking to move back to the US on the basis of tax inefficiencies here. These individuals that move comprise most of their wealth from stock market investments and when they realise they're paying on a paper gain + no ability to defer tax on the gains, why would the skilled want to move to NZ?

    This is why we get a high % of migrants in a skill category that are from other (Asian?) countries where their gov'ts don't provide them with any pension or retirement planning.

    Keep questioning why 20% of expat Kiwis live abroad?
    Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree. Why would high net worth individuals come to NZ and reside permanently? We provide a great bolt-hole or a much easier method of emigrating to Australia. What needs to change in this country to attract vast hordes of high skilled individuals? We're busy killing off our major earners, so surely there's a clearly articulated strategy? No, probably not.

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