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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    So that makes a change from the worst under National.. to the worst today.

    NZ is far better than living in a desert (australia) or shoe box (UK) I'd say.
    Southern China would be the best place for you.

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    There's only one team who wants to sell assets and land to China and historically that has been "inter"national.

    Now that millionaires can't as easily buy an nz passport, along with their house, then we have to assume that mostly NZ citizens are buying them. If they are doing that then maybe it's only because we have a strong economy and high incomes.

    Why don't you like the look of prosperity ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    There's only one team who wants to sell assets and land to China and historically that has been "inter"national.

    Now that millionaires can't as easily buy a passport (along with their house) then we have to assume that mostly NZ citizens are buying them. If they are doing that it's only because we have a strong economy and high incomes.
    Unfortunately I fear this is also the position of Ardern and Robertson. Absolutely no clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    There's only one team who wants to sell assets and land to China and historically that has been "inter"national.

    Now that o/s millionaires can't as easily buy a passport (along with their house) then we have to assume that mostly NZ citizens are buying them. If they are doing that, then it's only because we have a strong economy and high incomes.

    Why don't you like the look of prosperity ?
    Why don't you shelve such trite utterings, which clearly come direct from your political bias, and tell us why you think the economy is so fundamentally strong?

    In NZ's urban centres the economy revolves around flipping houses. There are more real estate agents than there are farmers. Do you really believe that an economy based on the property 'market' is a country standing on solid economic ground? If you look at the NZX, the cupboard is pretty bare. In fact, if it weren't for the power companies I'd say they might as well close the NZX down.

    I'd say you were born into a Labourite family and are probably a teacher or trade union official, as you clearly have the blinkers on. NZ is known as a low wage economy, yet you are claiming that incomes are high. Some fairly basic research would show you that house prices have far outstripped incomes, which lag well behind - in part because of the NatioBour addiction to mass immigration as a lazy way of boosting GDP growth.

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    Other countries seem to think we are doing well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhUMFOBZHU&t=2s

    I agree with you on migration though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    So that makes a change from the worst under National.. to the worst today.

    NZ is far better than living in a desert (australia) or shoe box (UK) I'd say.
    Maybe true if you ignore the fact that the vast majority of Aussies live in its coastal and fertile areas, and the quality of housing in both of those countries probably exceeds what we have in NZL.

    NZL under both Nat and Lab has done a poor job of providing for infrastructure and housing needs to cater for population growth as a result of its liberal immigration policies.

    Also when you allow investor housing (with an absence of stamp duties and a CGT) to act as the de facto pension scheme for so long, unaffordable first homes for young adults (without wealthy family to help out) are a result.

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/cl...SI65D4MJXDYDY/

    Life's a beach for some but what a bitch for those who cannot afford a home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    Maybe true if you ignore the fact that the vast majority of Aussies live in its coastal and fertile areas, and the quality of housing in both of those countries probably exceeds what we have in NZL.
    Still there are water shortages and farmers want 'drought relief' every year.

    NZ should recieve a premium as one of the countries which may benefit overall from climate change or be a safe haven from it.
    No more free water for China or sale of passports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Still there are water shortages and farmers want 'drought relief' every year.

    NZ should recieve a premium as one of the countries which may benefit overall from climate change or be a safe haven from it.
    No more free water for China or sale of passports.
    I don't think there is anywhere to hide from climate change and the socio-economic impact that has. For example, look at the impact of lower than average rain in damp Auckland.

    https://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-chan...nge-impacts-nz

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    It may be relative of course, I doubt Australia is going to fare well. There are some good things in that list like lower flu rates and higher agricultural output.

    Maybe the world will move to GMO foods to mitigate that last point.

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