Labour govt 2020-23

[jonu]

Another UK MP raising concerns over what the WHO is planning with its new Treaty/Accord. Where is the debate in NZ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVablPKjUas

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...ORZOIXGA5BFSE/

Bill to ban seabed mining defeated in Parliament

The sponsor of the bill, Maori Party co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, gave an angry speech to conclude the debate, in which she accused MPs opposing it as amateurs and out of their depth.

PACKER: "You are Amateurs for opposing my Bill"


Who are the Amateurs - Packer .. or whatever your name is .. ?

Who is out of their Depth and out of Control - Packer ?

Perhaps those opposing it are better than your version of Amateurism and know a Sad Packer
who blames everyone else for their own failure when they see one ?

[nztx]

Just Five Months to go until Mission Complete & your favourite Labour mob have %#@*^ Up
just about everything in sight - folks

Try to be kind and gentle all tucked up in your warm dry space, away from view of the vast carnage ..

[Panda-NZ-]

Perhaps those opposing it are better than your version of Amateurism and know a Sad Packer
who blames everyone else for their own failure when they see one ?

Packer - send her packing.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Never heard of the land wars in the late 1800's when the colonisers weren't getting their own way?

As for Te Rauparaha - he wasn't rogue but he didn't have a treaty with those he fought.
The treaty is the key!

No, Te Rauparaha didn’t have a Treaty. You can base your entire sense of morality and human decency around treaties if you wish, but the reality of your position is, to all-intents-and-purposes: ‘yes, he did murder and torture those people, enslave the survivors, and steal their land - but that’s all perfectly ok because he didn’t have a treaty with them’. Such an attitude is reprehensible imo. Slavery is slavery for example, and you can’t dismiss it with ‘well, there wasn’t a treaty’.

Aside from that, you’ve ignored my earlier point around the various differing interpretations of the treaty you refer to, and most importantly the question of ‘sovereignty’. When one or both parties have violated their obligations under the treaty, at what point is it voided? Land was confiscated in the aftermath of a war that started because the colonial authorities believed certain Maori tribes were in breach of their treaty obligations. Long after these events, compensation was paid to Maori tribes to facilitate the settlement of Maori grievances.

Should a historical treaty between various Maori tribes and the British Empire be recognised in perpetuity when such a document is incompatible with the modern democratic entity that is New Zealand? At the moment the only tenuous link with the British signatory party that this country retains is the titular head of state being the representative of the British crown. The NZ government seems to have assumed all the obligations of the British Empire in respect of this treaty, which is magnanimous in the extreme. I doubt a hard-headed conquistador like Te Rauparaha would have had any interest in taking on obligations that he arguably would not have ‘had to’ assume.

Treaties come and treaties go. How relevant is the Treaty of Versailles in todays world, or are you picking and choosing which treaties must be adhered to?

[Balance]

Leopards do not change their spots but Labour is sure gonna give it a try :

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-frills-budget

[Balance]

Food prices up 12.5%, the highest since 1987.

Great job the Coalition of Chaos is doing with the NZ economy.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...HO5NFEST5LX2Y/

[Logen Ninefingers]

Grant Robertson now claiming to have ‘saved’ $4 billion which will be blown on an almighty spend up in the upcoming budget. This is $4 billion they were going to blow ‘on that’ which will now be blown ‘on this’ - there are no genuine savings at all, and indeed the notion of saving is totally alien to Robertson; he says these ludicrous things & the media dutifully reports them. Robertson keeps pointing to our purported ‘low debt’ as an indicator of supposed great fiscal management - without acknowledging that high levels of government spending are inflationary, regardless of what NZ’s current amount of debt is.

Robertson’s idea of fighting inflation is that you fuel it through rampant spending & then you give out all sorts of ‘cost of living’ handouts - which only further fuel inflation further. In other words, he’s not in the fight at all; he has the blinkers on and can only see his ideological commitment to big government / big spending.
NZ has become an economic madhouse where the Reserve Bank tries to fight inflation, while the government blithely does its own thing and washes its hands of the fight.

[nztx]

Grant Robertson now claiming to have ‘saved’ $4 billion which will be blown on an almighty spend up in the upcoming budget. This is $4 billion they were going to blow ‘on that’ which will now be blown ‘on this’ - there are no genuine savings at all, and indeed the notion of saving is totally alien to Robertson; he says these ludicrous things & the media dutifully reports them. Robertson keeps pointing to our purported ‘low debt’ as an indicator of supposed great fiscal management - without acknowledging that high levels of government spending are inflationary, regardless of what NZ’s current amount of debt is.

Robertson’s idea of fighting inflation is that you fuel it through rampant spending & then you give out all sorts of ‘cost of living’ handouts - which only further fuel inflation further. In other words, he’s not in the fight at all; he has the blinkers on and can only see his ideological commitment to big government / big spending.
NZ has become an economic madhouse where the Reserve Bank tries to fight inflation, while the government blithely does its own thing and washes its hands of the fight.

Sounds like stealing from the Bank to get some to put back in the Bank that will be borrowed again from
Bank

Where did he learn that devious trick from ?


but alas sooner or later the monkeys in the pass the buck exercise get wise on just how far out the back door - Robbo's merry game of passing the buck (each time Amid a larger cloud of BS) has left them ..


Meanwhile Adrian ORR-SOME gets to chase the conch shells around in merry circles trying to regulate which ones can get borrowed and usually more for a higher usance fee each time round


probably explains why he looks so confused and cross eyed at times

[nztx]

The Economy is so Strong & going along just fine - all beer and skittles from Robbo's cave facing out to sea


Hang on a moment:


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...C3QHEMQOWQJKY/

Waiheke dream fades: Developer of $60m Wawata Estate wants out



The Economy must be grim for this to happen ..