Labour govt 2020-23

[Getty]

So a kid on a pogo must be causing a heap of damage! Ban them.

Oh yes, and overweight ladies on stilettos.

[Jay]

What about the electric Buses in Auckland, seems to be increasing in numbers by the day almost, plus a few electric trucks as well (not big ones , but bigger than a car)

[Relaxed]

(And btw overall our road toll has been trending downwards, its lower now than it was in the early 1990's/ early 2000's but there will always be outlier years.)

I saw this the other day which supports your comment.
but it is something that is not being discussed. we are actually way better on the road toll than 2000 (19 years before the data below).
we must be off the chart compared to 1985 but I didn't find that data.

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NZ Road Safety to 2019

Report by the OECD International Transport Forum



The longer-term trend for road deaths in New Zealand has been inconsistent.

Between 2000 and 2019, the number of annual road fatalities fell by 24%.


The greatest reduction was achieved in the 2000-13 period, when road fatalities fell by 45%.


However, from 2013-17 road deaths steadily increased (before decreasing slightly in 2018 and 2019), with an overall increase of 39% between 2013 and 2019.



The number of traffic deaths per 100 000 inhabitants in New Zealand fell by 41% between 2000 and 2019.

In 2019, 7.1 traffic deaths per 100 000 inhabitants were recorded, compared to 12.0 in 2000.

By way of comparison, the average in the European Union is 5.1 deaths per 100 000 inhabitants in 2019.



Measured as traffic deaths per billion vehicle-kilometres (vkm) driven, the fatality risk of New Zealand showed an encouraging longer-term trend.

In 2019 this metric stood at 7.2, 47% lower than in 2000.



New Zealand recorded 0.8 road fatalities per 10 000 registered vehicles in 2019.

This represents a decrease of 55% compared to the year 2000, when the rate of deaths to registered vehicles stood at 1.8.

[Blue Skies]

An incorrect statement, and a common myth.

Even a small car at an average weight of 1.16 tonne on 4 skinny tires as fitted, lays on the road at the same pounds per square inch, as a 44 tonne loaded truck sitting on 28 tires of at least double the width, and greater the circumference.

LTA, the waka people who collect Road User Charges have calculated this correctly.

If you further calculate that the car will have a horsepower ratio of at least 68 per tonne versus 10 to 14 for the truck, the car is far more likely to break traction, a wheelie, especially with front wheel drive, versus the truck, even though the truck is driven proportionately through less wheels.
If you further consider the truck spends some of its time running empty, or partly loaded, vs the 1.16 tonne tare weight car carrying 440kg of people and shopping, the trucks are seriously subsidising the cars!

Ha, lots of nice theory there but in practice doesn't work that way.

Put a heavy logging truck or 50t freight truck braking down a long hill from 100kmh and apart from the weight the vibrations do huge damage to our NZ roads, which were never built to carry theses kinds of weights.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO19...ier-trucks.htm

[fungus pudding]

Oh yes, and overweight ladies on stilettos.

Yep. Ban them too.

[Balance]

Blue Skies posts and writes some Class A Cindy's inspired BS and garbage.

First he argues that the road toll is up because there are more cars.

Then, he argues against himself that actually the number of cars has not affected the road toll! In fact, it has been trending down even as the number of cars has been increasing year on year.

In 2013 there were approx 3.4 million vehicles on our roads.
By 2023 that figure had increased to estimated 4.5 million vehicles on our roads.
That's whats gone wrong.

You don't think the extra million plus vehicles might have something to do with the increase in road toll ?
Would have thought the answer to that one was glaringly obvious.

Also remember back in the first decade of 2000's the road toll was higher than it is now.

And I should add, our infrastructure, roads, bridges, motorways haven't been able to cope with the increase.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/735099/new-zealand-currently-licensed-vehicles/

That's right, put over an extra million vehicles on our roads between 2013 & 2022 , 800,000 extra people, and the 124 higher road toll is all this governments fault!
And "most of us are driving cars that are highly unlikely to crash into other cars...." Really ?

C'mon mate, next you'll be telling us this weather, like everything else is all this govt's fault.

For a National ACT supporter, how about advocating for a bit of personal responsibility.

(And btw overall our road toll has been trending downwards, its lower now than it was in the early 1990's/ early 2000's but there will always be outlier years.)

Blue Skies = Bull ****

[Balance]

Not that there was ever any doubt that this government is pro-gang, but this Labour MP joining a Mongrel mob meeting to get votes takes away any doubts:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...C3IHR54IWPJSU/

[Daytr]

An incorrect statement, and a common myth.

Even a small diesel car at an average weight of 1.16 tonne on 4 skinny tires as fitted, lays on the road at the same pounds per square inch, as a 44 tonne loaded truck sitting on 28 tires of at least double the width, and greater the circumference.

LTA, the waka people who collect Road User Charges have calculated this correctly.

If you further calculate that the car will have a horsepower ratio of at least 68 per tonne versus 10 to 14 for the truck, the car is far more likely to break traction, a wheelie, especially with front wheel drive, versus the truck, even though the truck is driven proportionately through less wheels.
If you further consider the truck spends some of its time running empty, or partly loaded, vs the 1.16 tonne tare weight car carrying 440kg of people and shopping, the trucks are seriously subsidising the cars!

Going back to the original statement, petrol combustion cars pay no RUCs whatsoever, so are getting a free ride, compared to the trucks!

Historically, 5 sixth of the cost of diesel has been in taxes, so the trucks are well and truly getting rorted!

It's not incorrect or a myth. I can provide ample evidence that contradicts what you are saying.

But firstly petrol cars pay the excise when buying fuel so be it RUC or excise they both pay for road maintenance.

Now for the evidence.

80% of the non weather related damage is caused by trucks & yet they only pay 23% of the excise.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO22...ixing-them.htm

This link says that a truck causes 2500 times the damage of a sedan.
https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damage-do-heavy-trucks-do-our-roads#:~:text=Considering%20that%20the%20truck%20h as,times%20that%20of%20the%20sedan.

I could go on as there is overwhelming evidence that contradicts what you wrote.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...C3IHR54IWPJSU/

Labour MP Ingrid Leary gatecrashes Dunedin Mongrel Mob meeting; says she thought it was a different meeting


Fairly intelligent Labour talent indeed - presumably with difficulty on what time & day of the week it is too ?

How much is the taxpayer stumping up to keep this sort of dumb talent making a prize fool of herself ?

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/joyrid...P2SZNCZ4UKLH4/

‘Joyriding’ kids go on crime spree in Dunedin

A Toyota Aqua was stolen and taken on a joyride around Dunedin as the rash of child offending in the city continued at the weekend.

Senior Sergeant Anthony Bond, of Dunedin, said on Friday night two children went to an address in Corstorphine Rd and stole a Toyota Aqua.

The Mums & Dads musta been at the Gang's Labour Electoral Meeting which the half asleep local Labour MP just managed to inadvertently gatecrash without realising it ?


The Media appear to be very capable of identifying some of the more curious Otago Life forms