Labour govt 2020-23

[jonu]

It's very difficult to have reasoned logical debate with people about "Trans" issues, largely because the whole topic is devoid of Reason and Logic.

First step of Identity Politics is "paint yourself as victim" and thereby dictate the narrative because anyone is howled down for even questioning.

Then, with "Trans" issues, the inverse of Reason and Science is applied, hence The Emperor's New Clothes result. A man can be a woman and vice versa....and you're not allowed to question it because someone might commit suicide.

Tomorrow I might declare myself Black, cos y'know Black Lives Matter. I'm a blue eyed European but doesn't matter, my feelings tell me otherwise and I'm going Black. It doesn't matter that I'm not....that would be to apply logic and Science. My position is irrefutable because to attack me on the basis of the colour of my skin would be racist.

Wonders never cease!

Some prominent sports people calling BS on biological males competing against biological females.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...?ocid=msedgntp

I wonder if they too will be banned from speaking at Council owned venues for speaking the truth and common sense?

What's more will Grant Robertson and Ardern have sniff the political wind and realise their woke BS has reached its zenith?

[jonu]

It's very difficult to have reasoned logical debate with people about "Trans" issues, largely because the whole topic is devoid of Reason and Logic.

First step of Identity Politics is "paint yourself as victim" and thereby dictate the narrative because anyone is howled down for even questioning.

Then, with "Trans" issues, the inverse of Reason and Science is applied, hence The Emperor's New Clothes result. A man can be a woman and vice versa....and you're not allowed to question it because someone might commit suicide.

Tomorrow I might declare myself Black, cos y'know Black Lives Matter. I'm a blue eyed European but doesn't matter, my feelings tell me otherwise and I'm going Black. It doesn't matter that I'm not....that would be to apply logic and Science. My position is irrefutable because to attack me on the basis of the colour of my skin would be racist.

Wonders never cease!

Some prominent sports people calling BS on biological males competing against biological females.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...?ocid=msedgntp

I wonder if they too will be banned from speaking at Council owned venues for speaking the truth and common sense?

What's more will Grant Robertson and Ardern sniff the political wind and realise their woke BS has reached its zenith?

[iceman]

Wonders never cease!

Some prominent sports people calling BS on biological males competing against biological females.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...?ocid=msedgntp

I wonder if they too will be banned from speaking at Council owned venues for speaking the truth and common sense?

What's more will Grant Robertson and Ardern sniff the political wind and realise their woke BS has reached its zenith?

Yes and they have a very good and obvious case to argue. I wholeheartedly agree with them so signed their petition https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/peti...-request-sport

[beetills]

I may be mistaken but I thought Willy Jackson had regularly been meeting with gangsters as well.

He did and it was at Parliament buildings

[jonu]

Yes and they have a very good and obvious case to argue. I wholeheartedly agree with them so signed their petition https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/peti...-request-sport

Thanks iceman. I have too.

Also see link for Petition to ban Puberty Blockers for under 16s

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/peti...s-for-children

What is happening is appalling.

[dobby41]

I may be mistaken but I thought Willy Jackson had regularly been meeting with gangsters as well.

You are not mistaken - he met with them at a community trust - so? (As part of his Associate Justice portfolio.)
What do you think that means?

Act's Nicole McKee met with a Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom rep also - so does that mean they all support the Mob? Are they both 'cuddling up' to the Mob?

[jonu]

You are not mistaken - he met with them at a community trust - so? (As part of his Associate Justice portfolio.)
What do you think that means?

Act's Nicole McKee met with a Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom rep also - so does that mean they all support the Mob? Are they both 'cuddling up' to the Mob?

I think it means they are spectacularly naive.

As fo Act's Mckee....she may be in the same trap, or there to assess how much BS is being spread.

Not a good look for any of them.

[dobby41]

I think it means they are spectacularly naive.

As fo Act's Mckee....she may be in the same trap, or there to assess how much BS is being spread.

Not a good look for any of them.

You are suggesting that if they talk to someone they are automatically supporting them.
So, Labour and Act support the Mob?

I would draw the line at them 'supporting' the Mob rather than just meeting with them.
Best to find out what they are about first hand rather than naively believe the media.

[jonu]

You are suggesting that if they talk to someone they are automatically supporting them.
So, Labour and Act support the Mob?

I would draw the line at them 'supporting' the Mob rather than just meeting with them.
Best to find out what they are about first hand rather than naively believe the media.

It is no secret as to what the gangs are about. Maybe it is to the more naive of the population.

[peetter]

It is no secret as to what the gangs are about. Maybe it is to the more naive of the population.

I still don't get how gangs in NZ can be so public. That is completely alien to me coming from place where organized crime is very invisible.