Labour govt 2020-23

[davflaws]

Oh, I don't think he'll need to be tied up for that....

Kia ora Gus
I am addressing you at more length because I believe that you are basically of good will and of sufficient intellect to engage.

Would you feel it appropriate to refer to the sexual activities of a heterosexual politician in this way? I wouldn't, and I think that people who have done so on this site have been called out by more posters than just me. I think that the same standards should apply to gay politicians, and I think that the last few posts on this thread relating to Grant Robertson have been dogwhistling putdowns.

You don't usually stoop so low.

[davflaws]

There is a huge problem with your link. The TePapa link contains the letters "Govt". By definition, not a reliable source.

By your definition. I am quite sure that there are some thousands of others who share it. You also deny AGW and believe all sorts of other nonsense in relation to vaccination and Trump's innocence. There are thousands of others who share those delusions as well. It is an unforseen (AFAIK) consequence of the age of Social Media.

As far as Co Governance and Trump go, matters have a way of righting themselves and in the long run it may well not make too much difference to the trajectory of human history.

In relation to your other delusions, reality has an uncomfortable habit of intruding into any delusional system.

[jonu]

By your definition. I am quite sure that there are some thousands of others who share it. You also deny AGW and believe all sorts of other nonsense in relation to vaccination and Trump's innocence. There are thousands of others who share those delusions as well. It is an unforseen (AFAIK) consequence of the age of Social Media.

As far as Co Governance and Trump go, matters have a way of righting themselves and in the long run it may well not make too much difference to the trajectory of human history.

In relation to your other delusions, reality has an uncomfortable habit of intruding into any delusional system.

I recommend you read Dame Ann Salmond's view.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom...ocracy-part-ii

[BDL]

Boy davflaws, has the realisation that Labour / Greens / maori are going to lose this election made you loose your sense of humour?

[Daytr]

I recommend you read Dame Ann Salmond's view.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom...ocracy-part-ii

That's a good read.

We obviously haven't honoured this intention within the treaty, instead we have used our waterways as a bovine latrine.

"The closest contemporary approach to this understanding of Te Tiriti is perhaps Te Awa Tupua: the Whanganui River Act, in which the rights of the river itself are placed above those of people, both hapū and other citizens, who nevertheless work together to care for it at a local level, within a legal framing informed by tikanga."

[ynot]

Kia ora Gus
I am addressing you at more length because I believe that you are basically of good will and of sufficient intellect to engage.

Would you feel it appropriate to refer to the sexual activities of a heterosexual politician in this way? I wouldn't, and I think that people who have done so on this site have been called out by more posters than just me. I think that the same standards should apply to gay politicians, and I think that the last few posts on this thread relating to Grant Robertson have been dogwhistling putdowns.

You don't usually stoop so low.

Nothing to do with dog whistles.
This fool deserves everything coming his way.

[BDL]

That's a good read.

We obviously haven't honoured this intention within the treaty, instead we have used our waterways as a bovine latrine.

"The closest contemporary approach to this understanding of Te Tiriti is perhaps Te Awa Tupua: the Whanganui River Act, in which the rights of the river itself are placed above those of people, both hapū and other citizens, who nevertheless work together to care for it at a local level, within a legal framing informed by tikanga."

"rights of the river itself are placed above those of people, both hapū and other citizens"

That is NOT co governance, the rights of the river are ABOVE people. ( accept that sort of belief or not!)


Yes, excellent read.

”Maories and Europeans shall be equally protected, and live alike under equal laws.

As to the modern translations (1987) :

As noted above, Sir Robin and his colleagues had to rely on translations of Te Tiriti, and had a limited knowledge of tikanga Māori at the time that the Treaty was signed. Perhaps because of this, Sir Robin and his colleagues effectively rewrote Te Tiriti as a bilateral partnership between races at the national level, between ‘Pakeha and Maori’ or ‘the Crown and the Maori race.’

This racialised reframing is very different from Martin’s reading of Te Tiriti, which emphasised the national scope of kāwanatanga (Ture 1); the tino rangatiratanga of hapū, their rangatira and all the tāngata (persons) of New Zealand at the hapū and personal levels (Ture 2); and the absolute equality of indigenous (māori) and British tāngata (persons) at the personal level, with their tikanga alike informing how decisions are made (Ture 3).

[davflaws]

Boy davflaws, has the realisation that Labour / Greens / maori are going to lose this election made you loose your sense of humour?

Nah - my sense of humour has always been pretty loose. But the sorts of stuff you post and find funny is often vile -even if you can't see that.

[BDL]

Quick, Ardern's new book is out! BS, daveflaws and the rest of you Labour addicts :

https://theplatform.kiwi/assets/tremain/the-book.jpg

[BDL]

Seen on twitter (X) : This is the sort of country ardern has left us, sad but I am afraid, largely true.

"Co-governance means giving up your human rights to please people who will still hate you."