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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Thanks iceman. I have too.

    Also see link for Petition to ban Puberty Blockers for under 16s

    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/peti...s-for-children

    What is happening is appalling.
    Signed both petitions. If this is not child abuse, I don't know what is.

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    Wikipedia claims the effects are fully reversible.

    Not that im an expert on the issue im sure helen houghton (of the new conservative party) researches it day and night and still gets it wrong.
    Last edited by Panda-NZ-; 09-06-2021 at 03:40 PM.

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    It is not child abuse. I’m not going to try to explain it to you as clearly your mind is already made up.

    On the other hand, if you really want to know what child abuse is, feel free to message me. As someone who worked for CYF (now the Ministry of Vulnerable Children) for 8+ years, I can enlighten you.

    Quote Originally Posted by peetter View Post
    Signed both petitions. If this is not child abuse, I don't know what is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    It is not child abuse. I’m not going to try to explain it to you as clearly your mind is already made up.

    On the other hand, if you really want to know what child abuse is, feel free to message me. As someone who worked for CYF (now the Ministry of Vulnerable Children) for 8+ years, I can enlighten you.
    No wonder there are so many child abuse cases in NZ!

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    Might have to crack on and solve child poverty then which this govt is trying to do after years of not much.
    Last edited by Panda-NZ-; 10-06-2021 at 08:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    It is not child abuse. I’m not going to try to explain it to you as clearly your mind is already made up.
    Yeah, sure it isn't. We forbid children from smoking and drinking because it can have negative effects on development, but blocking hormones is okay. Children aren't allowed to drive or have sex until certain age, because they are not able to make sound decisions, but it's okay to decide to block natural development from happening. And the last thing - it's definitely not parent's brainwashing these children in some of the cases, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Wikipedia claims the effects are fully reversible.
    I'd love to know how you can reverse effects of not having normal hormone levels during most important development phase of your body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peetter View Post

    I'd love to know how you can reverse effects of not having normal hormone levels during most important development phase of your body.
    Best to ask a doctor. The meaning of 'reversible' is pretty clear to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Best to ask a doctor. The meaning of 'reversible' is pretty clear to me.

    Possible long-term side effects of puberty blockers

    • Lower bone density. To protect against this, we work to make sure every patient gets enough exercise, calcium and vitamin D, which can help keep bones healthy and strong. We also closely monitor patients’ bone density.
    • Delayed growth plate closure, leading to slightly taller adult height.
    • Less development of genital tissue, which may limit options for gender affirming surgery (bottom surgery) later in life.
    • Other possible long-term side effects that are not yet known.

    Possible short-term side effects of puberty blockers

    • Headache, fatigue, insomnia and muscle aches.
    • Changes in weight, mood or breast tissue.
    • Spotting or irregular periods (in menstruating patients whose periods are not completely suppressed by puberty blockers).

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    Jason Hoyte and news queen Hilary Barry are teaming up for TVNZ's Talkback

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertain...4COZRSSXCOTE4/

    The show, shot in the fly-on-the-wall mockumentary style of The Office, sees Hoyte play the win-at-all-costs Malcolm White who leads his newsroom as they fight to keep his flagship breakfast show at No 1 and save all of their careers.

    "The show is really based on talkback hosts in general and the relentless pursuit of ratings." Hoyte, who hosted Radio Hauraki Drive with Leigh Hart for five years, says the OnDemand show is partly based on "some of our shenanigans during those years, and what goes on when the microphones are off".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Jason Hoyte and news queen Hilary Barry are teaming up for TVNZ's Talkback

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertain...4COZRSSXCOTE4/
    And the relevance of this breaking news to this thread is what ? That TVNZ has become the media division of Labour, or something else ? Just curious
    Last edited by iceman; 11-06-2021 at 09:09 AM.

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