Labour govt 2020-23

[Bjauck]

Well, we can agree on that one.

Yep. Probably a few other things too :o

[fungus pudding]

Yep. Probably a few other things too :o

Wouldn't want to run out of debating points altogether though.

[Joshuatree]

This could be in the Labour thread or the coronavirus thread, but given this is a bit more political, I'll post it here.

Fran O'Sullivan: Just answer the question Jacinda

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ZR37XMMNFSEV4/

"It's now very difficult for the Prime Minister to turn around and kick ass over the haphazard Covid vaccine rollout when she has backed herself into a corner over the OECD's decision to award New Zealand bottom ranking on this score. But that is exactly what she needs to do. In other words, adopt the Helen Clark approach of 'I've had a gutsful and I'm going to fix this'."

"There has been a great deal of obfuscation from the top floor of the Beehive in the last fortnight over the OECD's verdict. The Paris-based organisation says New Zealand's vaccination pace needs to accelerate to reduce the risk of new outbreaks and pave the way for full border opening in 2022."

Pretty sloppy of Fran.The govt made the right decision going with the far better vaccine Pfizer after seeing the safety issues with other vaccines. Quality takes a little longer to deliver quantities though. So the "rrollout has gone as fast as it can given the availability of vaccines arriving in NZ '.This was transparent and clear.

[peetter]

Pretty sloppy of Fran.The govt made the right decision going with the far better vaccine Pfizer after seeing the safety issues with other vaccines. Quality takes a little longer to deliver quantities though. So the "rrollout has gone as fast as it can given the availability of vaccines arriving in NZ '.This was transparent and clear.

First it was not transparent, they promised much faster rollout.

Second, in Europe people over 30 can get vaccinated now, while here government is running radio ads saying over 60yo will be vaccinated by the end of the year. What a joke! And they are trying to sell it as a success.

Third, there's plenty of safe vaccines.

[iceman]

First it was not transparent, they promised much faster rollout.

Second, in Europe people over 30 can get vaccinated now, while here government is running radio ads saying over 60yo will be vaccinated by the end of the year. What a joke! And they are trying to sell it as a success.

Third, there's plenty of safe vaccines.

Exactly. Lame excuse to say Pfizer is the only safe vaccine and somehow trying to justify being the least vaccinated OECD country.

[Bjauck]

Pretty sloppy of Fran.The govt made the right decision going with the far better vaccine Pfizer after seeing the safety issues with other vaccines. Quality takes a little longer to deliver quantities though. So the "rrollout has gone as fast as it can given the availability of vaccines arriving in NZ '.This was transparent and clear.

A risky strategy when you end up playing Russian roulette with the risk of more infectious and deadly variants developing and taking hold before you start hitting a high vaccination percentage. We've already dodged several bullets. Current variants are less forgiving of border relaxations and holes. Look at Taiwan, and by the looks of it now possibly big brother across the ditch.

[westerly]

Exactly. Lame excuse to say Pfizer is the only safe vaccine and somehow trying to justify being the least vaccinated OECD country.

They must be doing something right. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...020-study.html

westerly

[fungus pudding]

They must be doing something right. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...020-study.html

westerly

And what do you think that is..?

[BlackPeter]

They must be doing something right. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...020-study.html

westerly

It's just a funny source "researchers from the US and Europe" no names, no university. Researched and written by a junior intern at best or pure click bait at worst.

Well, here is a researcher from New Zealand who found in a handful of minutes that the unnamed researchers NewsHub referred to are misleading at best.

Have a play with the data yourself ...

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

... but of the countries I randomly picked has Sweden (yes, Sweden!) at current with negative 6% a lower excess mortality than New Zealand had in 2020 with negative 2%.

The other thing you see in the graph below is that the excess mortality is drastically jumping from month to month. A country which looked good in December can have a terrible rate in February the following year. No researcher worthwhile his or her powder would want their name connected to such a pointless research ... but hey - this is probably why they didn't named the researchers (if they exist at all ...).

Excess mortality.JPG

[Sir Ten]

It's just a funny source "researchers from the US and Europe" no names, no university. Researched and written by a junior intern at best or pure click bait at worst.

Well, here is a researcher from New Zealand who found in a handful of minutes that the unnamed researchers NewsHub referred to are misleading at best.

Have a play with the data yourself ...

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

... but of the countries I randomly picked has Sweden (yes, Sweden!) at current with negative 6% a lower excess mortality than New Zealand had in 2020 with negative 2%.

The other thing you see in the graph below is that the excess mortality is drastically jumping from month to month. A country which looked good in December can have a terrible rate in February the following year. No researcher worthwhile his or her powder would want their name connected to such a pointless research ... but hey - this is probably why they didn't named the researchers (if they exist at all ...).

Excess mortality.JPG

You had to click on the link in the article... https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1137

Dude behind it looks reasonably credible...

https://www.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/team/nazrul-islam

https://scholar.harvard.edu/naz

https://www.mrc-epid.cam.ac.uk/people/nazrul-islam/