Labour govt 2020-23

[dobby41]

First it was not transparent, they promised much faster rollout.

What was the original timeline?

[Zaphod]

And what do you think that is..?

You've hit the nail on the head there FP. The article doesn't make any specific attributions around cause and effect, although it would appear at least anecdotally that the initial lockdown and border control could be the main reason. For those that were already infected, our health system coped well, although if numbers had increased we would have been (and still could be if the delta variant escapes) in serious trouble.

[fungus pudding]

You've hit the nail on the head there FP. The article doesn't make any specific attributions around cause and effect, although it would appear at least anecdotally that the initial lockdown and border control could be the main reason.

Along with the fact we are a very small blob in a very large puddle.

[macduffy]

Whatever the "research", of my circle of elderly friends, many with on-going health issues, none have been offered a Covid vaccination.

[westerly]

It's just a funny source "researchers from the US and Europe" no names, no university. Researched and written by a junior intern at best or pure click bait at worst.

Well, here is a researcher from New Zealand who found in a handful of minutes that the unnamed researchers NewsHub referred to are misleading at best.

Have a play with the data yourself ...

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

... but of the countries I randomly picked has Sweden (yes, Sweden!) at current with negative 6% a lower excess mortality than New Zealand had in 2020 with negative 2%.

The other thing you see in the graph below is that the excess mortality is drastically jumping from month to month. A country which looked good in December can have a terrible rate in February the following year. No researcher worthwhile his or her powder would want their name connected to such a pointless research ... but hey - this is probably why they didn't named the researchers (if they exist at all ...).

Attachment 12675

But hey,
If you clicked on the red line you may have got all the information you claim is missing.

westerly

[BlackPeter]

You had to click on the link in the article... https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1137

Dude behind it looks reasonably credible...

https://www.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/team/nazrul-islam

https://scholar.harvard.edu/naz

https://www.mrc-epid.cam.ac.uk/people/nazrul-islam/

Fair enough. He has a name and an academical title.

However doesn't change the fact that countries which looked terrible in
December 2020 looked quite flash in February 2021 and vice versa. Whether NZ looks good or bad compared to other countries on excess mortality depends exclusively on the arbitrary decision in which month you choose to take the data.

I guess - no doubt we look reasonably good, given that our Covid deaths are immaterial, but are we the best in the world? There have been a number of other countries with very little Covid deaths ... and whether they are on excess mortality better of worse is really just a pure random thing - what happened in this country in the last 5 years in that month and what else (other than Covid) happened in the month you pull the data. Add on top of that that many countries suffer under variable delays recording their deaths (making the data for one individual months somewhat questionable) is he really trying to draw conclusions based on a symphony made off white noise.

Have a look at e.g. data from Singapore, Iceland, Taiwan and Germany over time, and than tell me why you think (if you still do) that NZ did better related to excess mortality.

So far I think this is just B/S.

[Bjauck]

Whatever the "research", of my circle of elderly friends, many with on-going health issues, none have been offered a Covid vaccination.

My elderly relative and her circle of friends (in their early to mid 80’s in S. and E. Auckland) have all had at least one jab.

[tim23]

There's no way wages will go up if the biggest employer, government, decided to freeze pay increases for another 3 years. Labour deliberately keeps people poor with taxes, policies and pay freezes. This will end up in essential workers going to Australia. Why would a starting nurse work here, when Australia offers 20k more and cheaper living?

Its never that simple, a nurse may own a home here or be with a partner with good income or may simply prefer to live in NZ - pure speculation on your part

[jonu]

Lookout NZ. We are beginning to see the danger of having a woke, eloquent, intellectual lightweight in charge.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...?ocid=msedgntp

Tova O'Brien, who in recent months seems to have had some of the Cindy dust removed from her eyes, shreds Ardern for misleading the public. Either Ardern doesn't understand the law, or she is willfully misleading the NZ public for her own nefarious purposes. Ardern is shown to be wrong on so many aspects that you have to wonder why she would burn so much political capital on this issue....or she is genuinely too stupid to understand the implications of the proposals. Given that Andrew Little was prepared to throw out 1000 years of juris prudence with his intent to do away with presumption of innocence in rape trials, it's a coin toss whether they are both intellectually challenged or have an agenda of far reaching control.

As O'Brien rightly points out, politicising the March terror attack is also cynical in the extreme. Furthermore these new proposals would not have prevented that attack.

[Bjauck]

For all I didn’t agree with so much about Winston Peters, it seems that The current PM in government with a Labour majority uses a blunderbus when targeting new policy.